Officer charged with murder after shooting man in back

[normiss 893]

Yes we do. The reality that until this video surfaced, this incident was being portrayed as a justifiable shooting.
It seems quite difficult to disprove things cops say in evidence.
That's the reality.


It's going to be damn near impossible to see this one any other way. Seriously. How in fear of your life could you possibly by with that old man "running" away from you? Did you see him "running"??? Deadly threat to be sure.
If that's a threat to ANY cop he needs to find a new career.

[sfzombie13 324]

you go right ahead and give your due process away...i like mine.

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[skycop 0]

The media is taking this and running with it, as usual.
The officer is screwed no doubt on this one. I watched it and all I can say is WTF?

This guy was criminally charged, and rightfully so, but he is still innocent until proven guilty, should be interesting.

The lesson to be learned is, this was 100% preventable. If the guy would have paid his child support, this wouldn't have happened. If he would not have run and started some type of altercation, this wouldn't have happened.
The officer failed to follow policy and applicable law, if he would have, this wouldn't have happened.

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If that's a threat to ANY cop he needs to find a new career.

I agree whole heartedly with that statement.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 893]

So you support debtor's prison.

While I understand the perspective you have, it's a very broken system.

I was arrested once for non-payment. While I had a job. While I was paying. While I was paying an extra 20% to catch up from being unemployed for 8 months. I was court ordered to pay $7200 in full, within 30 days. I was not able to do that, so I was picked up. Purge bond. Luckily, I have spotless credit and was able to use a credit card that was in my possession at the time of my arrests. It took them 4 days to get my wallet to me.
I spent those 4 days in a cell with a poor black man. He was a roofer. The new construction industry was tanked. He hadn't had a job in 3 years. Between the industry and teh jail rotation, I expect he's still in jail. Racking up the arrears. He told me he expected to die in jail because he was unable to pay his arrears. On his adult child. In the amount of $4800.

Yea, REFUSING to pay your debts is worthy of justifying murder.

Not in my world it isn't.

Law and reality rarely exist on the same plane.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The lesson to be learned is, this was 100% preventable. If the guy would have paid his child support, this wouldn't have happened. If he would not have run and started some type of altercation, this wouldn't have happened

And if that girl didn't wear that skirt, she would not have gotten raped either.

[rehmwa 2]

Well, the crowd that is looking to push an agenda to get better cop and public relations now has a real poster child. (this is good goal)

Maybe they can stop trying to use Michael Brown for that purpose since his case wasn't really the example they really needed. A false example is a crappy rallying point.



Now we can see if (angry and violent attacks, protest and false overgeneralization of all cops in the most negative light based on a few true life examples) is effective in improving things.

Hopefully this example can prompt positive results rather than more polarization and violence....I won't hold my breath though.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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SkyDekker

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The lesson to be learned is, this was 100% preventable. If the guy would have paid his child support, this wouldn't have happened. If he would not have run and started some type of altercation, this wouldn't have happened

And if that girl didn't wear that skirt, she would not have gotten raped either.

you left off the rest of his quote - an oversight I'm sure

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The officer failed to follow policy and applicable law, if he would have, this wouldn't have happened.

I don't think pointing out everything that was done wrong in the entire scenario is worthy of accusing Skycop of rationizing this murder (Normiss). Unless the whole goal is just to be an ass to Skycop and not have really have a fair discussion.

In general, I also don't think pissing on people that comment ''that it looks bad and they'll wait for the court case to finalize what it looks like we already know'' and trying to imply it indicates these people are into wholesale murder of citizens is really a great tactic either. seriously

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[normiss 893]

I'm not trying to be THAT far over the line, but the general cop attitude of refusing transparency must end.
They have had the ability to justify their action when going to far.
It's time for total transparency when it's required. IMO anyway.

There ARE plenty of examples.

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normiss

I'm not trying to be THAT far over the line, but the general cop attitude of refusing transparency must end.
They have had the ability to justify their action when going to far.
It's time for total transparency when it's required. IMO anyway.

There ARE plenty of examples.

I agree. I also agree with your intent. I just see a lot of over the top reactionary thread replies here to what are likely fair commentary.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[ryoder 1,590]

I really think the time has come to make wearing a body camera, a prerequisite for carrying a gun, for uniformed cops.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[champu 1]

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The mentality that tells officers this kind of summary death penalty is justified in any form of reality is just sick and depraved...

I honestly doubt the officer's thought process was, "Nobody runs away from child support... If I don't gun him down, justice is never going to be served.... ... Alright, now to tie a bow on this with a taser next to him..."

In all likelihood his thought process was, "Crap, he's not just agreeing to get in the police car so I can take him to the stat- " And then everything he said after the fact is just self-preservation, not an actual belief that he didn't do anything wrong.

Still the same unacceptable outcome, but I just think him going "AFF Level-1" is a more likely explanation than him going "Judge Dredd."

In any event, if I were a LEO these days I'd be barking up the chain of command to get body cameras post-haste. I'd hate for this scenario to take over people's imaginations for lack of video evidence if something went pear-shaped during a contact I was involved in.

[skycop 0]

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There ARE plenty of examples.

There are hundreds of thousands of examples where everything was done right, or as close to right as can be expected.

Last night we chased a guy who had pointed a gun at a female during a domestic. He ran and we chased him around for an hour at three o'clock in the morning, in an urban area.

There were 4 agencies working setting up perimeters and chasing this dude around. A K-9 finally found him hiding, with the gun, he was challenged and dropped it and gave up. The dog didn't even bite him.

As a side note, the dog handler had been shot a couple years ago while doing the very same thing. And he continues to work and put himself in danger.

You won't read about this on the news, this was one incident. This same thing happens hundreds, if not thousands of times weekly throughout the country.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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you left off the rest of his quote - an oversight I'm sure

Not at all. Just indicating that blaming the victim is generally not acceptable.

Pointing out that something was 100% preventable is stupid. Everything is preventable. Pointing out that if he had not run away he would not have given a cop the option to shoot him in the back is silly.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You won't read about this on the news, this was one incident. This same thing happens hundreds, if not thousands of times weekly throughout the country.

Outrages this doesn't get reported!!!!

I correctly closed a complicated account receivable file yesterday, damn newspaper won't even mention it.

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SkyDekker

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you left off the rest of his quote - an oversight I'm sure

Not at all. Just indicating that blaming the victim is generally not acceptable.

I didn't read the comment as "blaming the victim". It was an account of the scenario and all the poor decisions and choices that led up to the crappy confrontation. it certainly doesn't diminish the cop's actions at all.

However - "preventable" doesn't equal "blame"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[skycop 0]

I doubt the account had the ability to kill you.

This is a perfect example of why we don't fire off press releases at the drop of a hat.

Folks like you make comments like this, good luck on that account. Let me know if it runs around at 3am, through peoples yards, with a firearm.

If it does, are you hiring?

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

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Pointing out that something was 100% preventable is stupid.

Yes,
Because causational analysis has proven to be so worthless..............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Driver1 0]

normiss

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Support the cop!

ummm...wow.

Yeah, there are times when certain people in their positions need to shut the fuck up. This is one of them.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

[Amazon 7]

champu

***The mentality that tells officers this kind of summary death penalty is justified in any form of reality is just sick and depraved...

I honestly doubt the officer's thought process was, "Nobody runs away from child support... If I don't gun him down, justice is never going to be served.... ... Alright, now to tie a bow on this with a taser next to him..."

In all likelihood his thought process was, "Crap, he's not just agreeing to get in the police car so I can take him to the stat- " And then everything he said after the fact is just self-preservation, not an actual belief that he didn't do anything wrong.

Still the same unacceptable outcome, but I just think him going "AFF Level-1" is a more likely explanation than him going "Judge Dredd."

In any event, if I were a LEO these days I'd be barking up the chain of command to get body cameras post-haste. I'd hate for this scenario to take over people's imaginations for lack of video evidence if something went pear-shaped during a contact I was involved in.

Ever meet a cop... who like to teach people lessons????

I have...


I wish every one of the compassionate conservatives here who make excuses for LEO's like that.... could get to meet one when he is at his best in administering his lessons to them because HE thinks you need it.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

skycop

I doubt the account had the ability to kill you.

This is a perfect example of why we don't fire of press releases at the drop of a hat.

Folks like you make comments like this, good luck on that account. Let me know if it runs around at 3am, through peoples yards, with a firearm.

If it does, are you hiring?

It has nothing to do with that. People doing their job properly is not news.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

skycop

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Pointing out that something was 100% preventable is stupid.

Yes,
Because causational analysis has proven to be so worthless..............

Not at all. It just serves no purpose at this point.

[billvon 3,114]

>I really think the time has come to make wearing a body camera, a prerequisite for
>carrying a gun, for uniformed cops.

Agreed. They have demonstrated how important they are in preventing abuses, and revealing them when they exist.

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>I really think the time has come to make wearing a body camera, a prerequisite for
>carrying a gun, for uniformed cops.

Agreed. They have demonstrated how important they are in preventing abuses, and revealing them when they exist.

yes, and also good to provide evidence, as well, against criminals

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[champu 1]

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I wish every one of the compassionate conservatives here who make excuses for LEO's like that.... could get to meet one when he is at his best in administering his lessons to them because HE thinks you need it.

Thanks, that's very helpful Jeanne.

[skycop 0]

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Agreed. They have demonstrated how important they are in preventing abuses, and revealing them when they exist.

I've done this for almost 30yrs without a formal complaint, I always policed as if someone was videoing me.

I'm a huge proponent of body cameras, I've been wearing one for the last several years.

The vast majority of times the camera provides evidence of bogus complaints, not "preventing abuses" like many detractors like to say.

Sometimes they capture very ugly, but very justified actions. Even then the detractors still complain.

People will see what they want to see, regardless of the reality.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"