Officer charged with murder after shooting man in back

[jakee 1,571]

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Kallend and others have painted the LEO community with a broad brush as have most if not all of the black community.

Yeah, speaking of broad brushes...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,571]

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you may be ok with giving up due process, but i prefer to apply all laws equally, with no prejudice at all.

Luckily no-one here is applying the law to this cop. We're just uninvolved people looking at evidence and drawing conclusions.

Being afforded due process doesn't mean that people can't talk about you, and nor should it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,571]

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If he would not have run and started some type of altercation,

How do you know he started an altercation? That's conjecture, supported only by the testimony of a known liar.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

He had a warrant for his arrest, and ran from a traffic stop.
By any objective standard that is "starting" the incident.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,571]

skycop

He had a warrant for his arrest, and ran from a traffic stop.
By any objective standard that is "starting" the incident.

You know what, I almost totally didn't notice that you just swapped the word altercation for the word incident and therefore took aim at a different set of goalposts.

Smooth work.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

Altercation + incident= Semantics

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jakee 1,571]

Absolute nonsense and if you're trying to say so it's clear you have no intention of taking part in honest discussion (or, you may not know what altercation means). Incident is broad enough to cover anything and everything. The encounter itself was an incident. This conversation is an incident.

An altercation is an angry dispute. For him to have started an altercation he would have needed to shout at, insult or physically abuse the officer and there is no reason to believe he did that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[skycop 0]

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An altercation is an angry dispute. For him to have started an altercation he would have needed to shout at, insult or physically abuse the officer and there is no reason to believe he did that.

I am trying to have an honest discussion, if you can't handle hard facts, I can't help that.

Let's play:
The "incident" involved a legal traffic stop, the person stopped then decided to run on foot. Once the officer yells stop, that by definition is verbal force, according to the use of force continuum. At this point this would be an "altercation" because of the use of force. This guy didn't want to be taken into legal custody, so who started the "altercation"? I don't think those facts are in dispute.

Now who escalated the "altercation" to an unacceptable level, that appears pretty easy to tell as well.
The officer

So the officer was criminally charged, and rightfully so.

But no one wants to acknowledge the causational factors leading up to the inappropriate and potentially/apparent criminal use of force.

The officer was charged for good reason, I completely agree with it. I won't defend his actions.

But the "victim" has some culpability in this as well, his actions precipitated the entire situation, many are ignoring that fact.

Some of the detractors are comparing the guy who was shot to a rape victim.

Now who is really trying to have an honest discussion?

It's very similar to a guy going into the hood and getting shot while buying drugs. It's a crime and the perpetrator would be punished, but the "victim" wouldn't have been a victim if he chose a different behavior.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[mpohl 1]

Using your post only as a spring board.

What needs to stop is this fascist glorification of men and women in uniform. "Our firefighters, soldiers, police men risk their lives every day."

FUCK THAT. So does every construction worker, meat packer, and tax assessor.

They get paid to do a job. But first and foremost they are citizens. Citizens in uniform. But citizens nevertheless.

Not part of a secret brotherhood that can do as they want. Those are thugs. Unfortunately we have too many Thugs in Blue already.

But then. Can you really blame them? Because the public drums it into their heads that they are special. And eventually they believe it themselves.

[skycop 0]

Riveting commentary as usual.

As I posted before, I just worked with a guy who had been shot a couple years ago while tracking a bad guy with a gun.

He just did the same thing last night without hesitation, found the guy, took him into custody without incident.

You my friend couldn't carry this guys jock, this will be the one and only answer to a troll.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[lawrocket 3]

skycop

The lesson to be learned is, this was 100% preventable. If the guy would have paid his child support, this wouldn't have happened. If he would not have run and started some type of altercation, this wouldn't have happened.
The officer failed to follow policy and applicable law, if he would have, this wouldn't have happened

If the cop wasn't a mursering piece of suit cocksucker it wouldn't have happened. I guess that child support will remain unpaid, eh?

Saying that had the guy not turn and run it wouldn't have happened? That makes me wonder whether the cop told the guy to turn and run. This scene was just cold blooded. The way that cop just calmly planed that taser. Was like he had rehearsed it

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[airdvr 210]

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Using your post only as a spring board.

Better check to see how deep the water is.

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What needs to stop is this fascist glorification of men and women in uniform. "Our firefighters, soldiers, police men risk their lives every day."

FUCK THAT. So does every construction worker, meat packer, and tax assessor.

So you think the meat packer and construction worker's risks are the same as the police, soldier, firefighter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yooeuvielg

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Unfortunately we have too many Thugs in Blue already.

I didn't realize Germany's police were thugs in blue. What are you guys doing about that problem?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[skycop 0]

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That makes me wonder whether the cop told the guy to turn and run.

Wow,
Any credibility, see ya...............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

http://attentiongainers.prochan.com/LE/t/7e5_1424356692

I now do a lot more passenger side approaches.........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[mpohl 1]

Skycop:

Just yesterday there was an incident in Atlanta.
Mother left a three-year old in the car. When she returned she was promptly arrested by police.

Had she ran, they should have just shot her in the back? Is that what you are saying? Killing the mother over a minor infraction? Depriving the child of his mother.

P.S.: This was a woman in her early 20-ies from Europe. Not accustomed yet to the harsh realities of American policing.

lawrocket

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The lesson to be learned is, this was 100% preventable. If the guy would have paid his child support, this wouldn't have happened. If he would not have run and started some type of altercation, this wouldn't have happened.
The officer failed to follow policy and applicable law, if he would have, this wouldn't have happened

If the cop wasn't a mursering piece of suit cocksucker it wouldn't have happened. I guess that child support will remain unpaid, eh?

Saying that had the guy not turn and run it wouldn't have happened? That makes me wonder whether the cop told the guy to turn and run. This scene was just cold blooded. The way that cop just calmly planed that taser. Was like he had rehearsed it

[skycop 0]

More riveting commentary.

Please check the edit on the previous post.

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Had she ran, they should have just shot her in the back? Is that what you are saying? Killing the mother over a minor infraction? Depriving the child of his mother.

Yawn.......................really..............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[mpohl 1]

People like you are the problem.

And if you are really a cop, I hope not, I don't want you in my neighborhood. But over time, we will affect change.

People like you are the past. Destined to become extinct.
You might shoot a few more. Maybe tens more, hundreds more. But you can't prevail. Because we are millions.

I have a brighter future in my mind for my children. Brighter than your dim view of the world.

[rehmwa 2]

skycop

Riveting commentary as usual.

This is not usual, but in this case, I'm in agreement with Mpohl's post there. (other than his usual low angry delivery, and NOT the last couple posts where he goes off into some la la land of false accusations - just the post that police work is a job).

It's a job. Glorification of cops (or firemen, or teachers, etc etc etc) is a blinding eye to rational discourse. I also apply it to funding and taxes when people blindly evoke the "don't they all DESERVE more?" lines.

Cops are citizens and subject to the same laws. Hard to object to that. Cop breaks a law, I want him held to the SAME standards as me. Not more, not less....just the same. Fortunately, I don't see anyone here against that position....no one.....not even the ones trying to accuse others falsely of taking that position.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

skycop

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That makes me wonder whether the cop told the guy to turn and run.

Wow,
Any credibility, see ya...............

You lost plenty of credibility when you said that it could have been prevented if the guy didn't run. Much like saying the bitch's eyes wouldn't be swollen shut had she not run her mouth.

What did the cop say to the guy? Can you tell me? "If you run I'll shoot you?"

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,090]

>You know what, I almost totally didn't notice that you just swapped the word
>altercation for the word incident and therefore took aim at a different set of goalposts.

"A Fresno cop initiated an altercation on Friday night when he asked a pedestrian for ID." Can work both ways.

[billvon 3,090]

>You lost plenty of credibility when you said that it could have been prevented if the
>guy didn't run. Much like saying the bitch's eyes wouldn't be swollen shut had she not
>run her mouth.

It's a lot more like "the bitch wouldn't have gotten hit if she had just stood there and taken it instead of trying to run away."

When you try to equate leaving a conflict to causing one you're getting pretty far into left field.

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

>I really think the time has come to make wearing a body camera, a prerequisite for
>carrying a gun, for uniformed cops.

Agreed. They have demonstrated how important they are in preventing abuses, and revealing them when they exist.

Seems the mayor agrees: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/08/north-charleston-body-cameras_n_7027076.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[grue 1]

airdvr

So you think the meat packer and construction worker's risks are the same as the police, soldier, firefighter?

Police aren't even top ten for risky jobs in the US, it's not like they're engaged in fucking trench warfare in WWI.

They need to quit with the histrionics about it and stop pretending that if they don't blast every darkie who looks crosseyed at them, they won't make it home at night. If you can't handle the (not all that significant) risk, go work in a library.

cavete terrae.

[airdvr 210]

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So you think the meat packer and construction worker's risks are the same as the police, soldier, firefighter?

Police aren't even top ten for risky jobs in the US, it's not like they're engaged in fucking trench warfare in WWI.

They need to quit with the histrionics about it and stop pretending that if they don't blast every darkie who looks crosseyed at them, they won't make it home at night. If you can't handle the (not all that significant) risk, go work in a library.

I'm surprised you can lift that brush that high. Isn't it heavy?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Boomerdog 0]

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But the "victim" has some culpability in this as well, his actions precipitated the entire situation, many are ignoring that fact.

Given any level of objective reasoning from the most fundamental to the most complex and nuanced, it is rare, very, very rare to see an added layer of craven stink added to the putrified pile of bullshit of the above quote.