Iran agrees to parameters

[Elisha 1]

grimmie

Iran knows that if they attack Israel, we wipe them off the face of the earth. It's a lot of posturing.

At least I know I'm not the only one thinks this!

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

*** I think the GOP will fold and go along with it.

Hmmm. A whole lot of GOP posturing going on right now. It may be hard to walk it back.

I'm seeing a lot of waffling. I see Cruz mentioning that it should involve Congress. I agree.

I'm seeing others saying that the US should be wary. I agree.

The harshest I'm seeing is from Rubio, who has given an indication that he doesn't like it.

On the other hand, the GOP ends up folding all the time, anyway. Because the GOP has no real principles.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Boomerdog 0]

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Think of it this way.... what would be the effect of a container full of highly enriched uranium arranged around a few thousand pounds of semtex parked in ANY port city in the USA????

Depends.
How do you configure the device for maximum spread of the rad material?
I take it you're talking about what is commonly referred to as a "dirty bomb?"

Use of HEU in an IED is not the best use of HEU although the use is possible since it is radioactive material. A lot of time, effort, technology and $$$ goes into producing HEU aka fissile material.

And just to be clear, the configuration your proposing is a long way from a fission bomb. I'm not going to go into it, however you can see this all in the open sources such as Wikipedia.

[cvfd1399 0]

I'm alarmed she has put so much thought into blowing up ports in the USA #NSA

[Boomerdog 0]

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No-one wants Iran to gain possession of nuclear weapons. The question is, how can we prevent that from happening? If you take the position (as many in Congress do) that any attempt at diplomacy is wrongheaded and dangerously naive, what is left?

In the current times of which we live where the five second soundbite provided by any network with a particular political persuasion (and just to be clear, I'm talking about both sides) is broadcast to the masses, we never hear what members of Congress said in totality...we just hear what the networks want us to hear.

It is not the diplomatic mechanism that some members of Congress find objectionable, it is the objectives of that diplomacy that are being debated, supported criticized etc.

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I think it is safe to say that the leaders of Iran are not going to wake up tomorrow and say "you know what, we'll just dismantle our nuclear facilities and prostrate ourselves before the US and beg for forgiveness

Probably not but in diplomatic negotiations, EVERYTHING is on the table. So what's wrong with telling the Iranians that developing, testing and/or deploying a nuclear weapon is unacceptable and that carrying out any of the three actions noted will result in the United States blowing their sorry asses to hell? With this administration, that won't happen.

You want Iran nuclear armed? After all their pronouncements over so many years of Death to America and destroying Israel? Nukes are used for two things; to deploy or deter. I take them at their word, they'll attack with a nuke and in the deterence posture, they destabilize the region politically and economically and war affect this might have on us skydivers? Plenty when it comes to petroleum prices going through the roof. Think fuel prices have been high these past few years despite this small respite these last few months? If fuel prices rocket (pun intended) well past what we've seen, be prepared to pay extra for a jump ticket and that "extra" cost just might doom the sport and the industry.

You think this issue does not have direct impact on you and the rest of us who like to jump out of airplanes? If you do, then who's really being naive?

Ideology is peaceful...history is violent.

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P.S. on an unrelated note.

I wanted to send you a PM offering my relief that you were over whatever ailed you and I see you have blocked me!

What have I done oh eclectic one?!?!?!?

I'm shocked! After all the great discussions we've had and the gallant defense of you I offered to the "green meanies" here.

I hate to go public but you left me no other choice my dear!

[Amazon 7]

Boomerdog

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Think of it this way.... what would be the effect of a container full of highly enriched uranium arranged around a few thousand pounds of semtex parked in ANY port city in the USA????

Depends.
How do you configure the device for maximum spread of the rad material?
I take it you're talking about what is commonly referred to as a "dirty bomb?"

Use of HEU in an IED is not the best use of HEU although the use is possible since it is radioactive material. A lot of time, effort, technology and $$$ goes into producing HEU aka fissile material.

And just to be clear, the configuration your proposing is a long way from a fission bomb. I'm not going to go into it, however you can see this all in the open sources such as Wikipedia.

As a former squadron "preparedness NCO" at the height of the Cold War I know the difference

Low tech huge dirty bomb in right config to disperse all that pretty shiny metal death

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cvfd1399

I'm alarmed she has put so much thought into blowing up ports in the USA #NSA

Ok.. back to your crib.... adults are talkin here.

If you do not think they have run that and many other scenarios... I fear for your abilities to cope in our brave new scary world that FAUX News bombards the mentally deficient with daily.

I think you stand an ice cuues chance in hell of ever working for

#NSA

[cvfd1399 0]

Ahh I bask in your weak "clever" public attacks that will never be scolded by your buddies. No one said THEY did not run some test, I'm shocked YOU are thinking that hard about it. You planning on doing some traveling soon to a waterside dock?

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As a former squadron "preparedness NCO" at the height of the Cold War I know the difference.

Well golly gee I didn't know that!
I Learn something new everyday!

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cvfd1399

Ahh I bask in your weak "clever" public attacks that will never be scolded by your buddies. No one said THEY did not run some test, I'm shocked YOU are thinking that hard about it. You planning on doing some traveling soon to a waterside dock?

grow up already

[cvfd1399 0]

Ooh your insinuating I'm not already grown, because I can assure you that I am. Don't let your anger get you on any more watch lists tho.

[rushmc 23]

It is looking like this is falling in on itself......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

It must be incredibly embarasing for the admin to be played like this
For Kerry too who seemed to be in campain mode for the Nobel Peace Prize

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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lawrocket

******But that's not what you said. You said they would be dissatisfied with anything that does not lead to war, not that the options are limited, but they want it.

If the only options are 1: negotiate, 2: Iran unilaterally capitulates without any assurance of receiving anything in return, and 3: war, and someone says 1 is totally unacceptable then I think it fair to say they want 3, given that anyone with any understanding of human nature knows that 2 is never going to happen.

However if you wish you can modify that to say that those people find 3 preferable to 1. As if that makes any real difference.

I think it is also germane that the US essentially created modern Iran in 1953 by overthrowing a democratically elected government (which was actually fairly Western leaning) and installing a ruthless dictator (but hey, he was our dictator puppet, right?). It's no surprise, and actually not unrealistic of them, that they regard the US as the "great satan", given how we fucked with them. So now we are supposed to continue to refuse to even speak with them, yet expect them to surrender their sovereignty and grovel at our feet?

Don

Actually, my experience and impression is that the people of Iran rank up there near Israel in terms of being pro Western and even pro American. The government of Iran is something else.

Iran is what I foresee as the best hope for a grass roots western democracy in the Middle East (Jordan also is doing stuff right). I think it is error to link the government of Iran with the people of Iran.

And having the day to consider this, I'm hoping the GOP allows this to become an agreement. I'm trying to find a big downside for the US on this. At the very least I expect the Congress to lift sanctions. But I think the GOP will fold and go along with it.

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The majority (~60%, I've read) of the population of Iran is under 30, meaning that they weren't even on the planet when the Pahlavis were thrown out. They hear all the "Great Satan" and "Death to America" stuff and don't really buy it. See the Iranian expat band "The Yellow Dogs", featured in a docu-drama called "No One Knows About Persian Cats". It was a legit torrent, last I looked.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."