Speakers Corner and Divisiveness in general explained

[RonD1120 62]

You just can't make an observation without a negative judgmental criticism. You prove the OP.

Oh, BTW...

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

You grossly missed the point.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

You do understand that all that is media hype without a basis in reality.

Reality, Democratic left is supporting nuclear proliferation with a country that executes homosexuals. Apple Computer has more retail outlets in Tehran than in all of Indiana.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

You do understand that all that is media hype without a basis in reality.

Reality, Democratic left is supporting nuclear proliferation with a country that executes homosexuals. Apple Computer has more retail outlets in Tehran than in all of Indiana.

And the last Republican President liked to take walks holding hands with the Saudi King.

The law signed has a basis in reality. The same reality that then made a pizza store owner make claims about now not having to supply pizzas to a gay wedding if requested.

I am sure that wonderfully inclusive pizza store owner is a staunch Democrat

[wmw999 2,584]

Are there more customers in Tehran than in Indiana?
As far as supporting nuclear proliferation is concerned: Iran has a nuclear program; that's undisputed. Is the rest of the world better off letting it continue (as it has all along), or trying to engage so that tha there's insight into it? The old adage of "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer" comes to mind.

No, Iran doesn't have our best interests as its top priority. But then we don't have their best interests as ours, either.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

There is a major difference between retail service and being forced to participate in a ceremony that violates Christian belief.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ryoder 1,590]

RonD1120

Apple Computer has more retail outlets in Tehran than in all of Indiana.

There are Apple stores in Mishawaka and Indianapolis.
There are rumors of Apple negotiating to open a store in Iran pending lifting of sanctions.
Try again.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

There is a major difference between retail service and being forced to participate in a ceremony that violates Christian belief.

Since when does the pizza guy stand up during the ceremony?

I thought he just brought the pizzas in, hit on a couple bridesmaids, took his money and left.

I was a pizza guy when I was younger. I wasn't aware "approval" of where I was taking the pizzas was necessary.

And one more time (still waiting for an answer on this one):

How come they get to pick and choose which "sins" are "bad enough" to discriminate against?

If homosexuality is "bad enough" that they won't serve them, how about adultery?
They seem perfectly content to give that one a pass, despite it being one of those "commandment" thingies.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

There is a major difference between retail service and being forced to participate in a ceremony that violates Christian belief.

No, the difference is that they want to pick and chose which supposed sin they have a problem with and which ones they don't.

I could have some level of respect if they refused to provide pizzas to weddings of any who are afoul of the bible in any way.

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

The same reality that then made a pizza store owner make claims about now not having to supply pizzas to a gay wedding if requested.

Ron

There is a major difference between retail service and being forced to participate in a ceremony that violates Christian belief.

it's all about the major religious rites:

baptism
confession
spinning pizza dough
communion
confirmation
spreading cheese
annointing the sick
last rites

seriously, tolerance isn't just any other 7 letter word, get with it

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Amazon 7]

RonD1120

There is a major difference between retail service and being forced to participate in a ceremony that violates Christian belief.

Is it really a "Christian" belief or a closely held ancient Jewish Levitican tenant and only spoken of by a "Christian" who was also a former Jewish Pharisee and well versed in the Jewish version of Sharia Law?

[jakee 1,593]

RonD1120

You just can't make an observation without a negative judgmental criticism. You prove the OP.

And you are so very different.

Say something nice about me

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DanG 1]

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seriously, tolerance isn't just any other 7 letter word, get with it

Tolerance is a nine letter word. As a confirmed minister in the Church of the 8+ Letter Words, I find your blasphemy offensive.

Mods, please delete rehmwa's account.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,107]

>Generally speaking, conservatives do not hate anyone

Exactly. "God loves dead fags" is an expression of love. You don't see the word "hate" in there anywhere. And they certainly don't hate Obama, or Al Gore, or Nancy Pelosi - they have certainly never expressed any angry or hateful emotions towards them.

[billvon 3,107]

>Since when does the pizza guy stand up during the ceremony?

I take it you've never been to an Indiana wedding . . . bride, terrified groom, father with shotgun, hastily produced minister and pizza guy with the reception in his bag.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Generally speaking, conservatives do not hate anyone

Exactly. "God loves dead fags" is an expression of love. You don't see the word "hate" in there anywhere. And they certainly don't hate Obama, or Al Gore, or Nancy Pelosi - they have certainly never expressed any angry or hateful emotions towards them.

You need a break.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

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seriously, tolerance isn't just any other 7 letter word, get with it

Tolerance is a nine letter word. As a confirmed minister in the Church of the 8+ Letter Words, I find your blasphemy offensive.

FINE!!! then don't bake me a cake

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

billvon

>Generally speaking, conservatives do not hate anyone

Exactly. "God loves dead fags" is an expression of love. You don't see the word "hate" in there anywhere. And they certainly don't hate Obama, or Al Gore, or Nancy Pelosi - they have certainly never expressed any angry or hateful emotions towards them.

And liberals, of course, hate them. There are posters on this very forum that are leftward leaning that are so full of pure unadulterated hate that someone of my belief system has to wonder where it comes from.

Some on the right leave me shaking my head but in terms of those who cannot even write "conservative" or "republican" without deliberately misspelling the words to include an insult, I see hate.

I am always bemused that those who call for tolerance will hate those and will not tolerate those who disagree. I picture this exchange:

"Hey! This pizza joint is run by people who are intolerant of gays. They are hateful people. What should be do?"
"Let's hate them!"
"Why?"
"Because they are so intolerant!"

Again, it's divisiveness. Let us not actually interact with the pizza place owners. Let's hate them and widen the divide.

Personal note: i have a big problem with people who won't serve gays. But I also have a big problem with making people serve gays. This pizza place will hopefully be run out of business. But just because people will stay away. I do not proclaim tolerance and do not proclaim that people should be tolerant. Intolerance and bigotry makes bad business sense.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

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This pizza place will hopefully be run out of business. But just because people will stay away. I do not proclaim tolerance and do not proclaim that people should be tolerant. Intolerance and bigotry makes bad business sense.

I hope that happens too. Unfortunately, it looks like saying you hate gays can get you $300,000 without having to bake a single pie.

- Dan G

[jakee 1,593]

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Personal note: i have a big problem with people who won't serve gays. But I also have a big problem with making people serve gays. This pizza place will hopefully be run out of business. But just because people will stay away. I do not proclaim tolerance and do not proclaim that people should be tolerant. Intolerance and bigotry makes bad business sense.

What about when it doesn't?

It wasn't that long ago that half the small towns in the country would have segregation in every retail and service establishment. They didn't change through consumer pressure, they were forced to change by law and that was the only way it was going to happen.

Luckily it's not so widespread these days for non-heterosexuals but I'm sure there are still quite a few places where bigotry in business is welcomed by more prospective customers than not. What happens when you grow up, live or work in such an area?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy9o8 2]

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it looks like saying you hate gays can get you $300,000 without having to bake a single pie.

Jeez, I'm in the wrong racket.

[Channman 2]

DanG

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This pizza place will hopefully be run out of business. But just because people will stay away. I do not proclaim tolerance and do not proclaim that people should be tolerant. Intolerance and bigotry makes bad business sense.

I hope that happens too. Unfortunately, it looks like saying you hate gays can get you $300,000 without having to bake a single pie.

I think the $300,000 was in response to the death threats, and over blown outrage. Her statement might be offensive, but how many of us here on this blog deal with offensive statements from other posters.

I've been guilty of it myself, but we have a policing system on the most part that tries to be fair, in the end we are allowed to rejoin the community after we have served our time in the corner...and life goes on.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2014/03/07/gay_marriage_and_religious_freedom_don_t_stereotype_the_christian_wedding.html

[wmw999 2,584]

That's a good, thoughtful article. But too many of us seem to want to bend others to our will, instead of simply "being the change we want to see." I'm no Gandhi (um, yeah), but that's always struck me as the best way not to get pissed off.

It used to kind of irk me when people would offhandedly say things about libs being stupid, and everyone snickeringly agreeing with each other. But there's not a lot of dignity in letting people know they got under your skin.

One advantage of dz.com is that the format allows one to actually choose what to respond to, and to take time to actually think about the response. Sounds like a winner to me
Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

First of all, the lady who owned, I think owned, the pizza establishment was asked if you would cater a gay wedding. That means participating in the ceremony.

Second, those who commit adultery do not advertise their adultery. Well, so far as I know they don't. I guess a swinger's party would be an exception.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

You are tenaciously circular and tangential in your responses.

I mean that in a good way.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.