jclalor 12 #1 March 31, 2015 This one will cause the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-american-flag-20150330-story.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sourpuss 0 #2 March 31, 2015 Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #3 March 31, 2015 they don't go to school then, so it don't matter_________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #4 March 31, 2015 SourpussWill Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? First off, The 4th of July is a holiday and there is no school, second, do you know the definition of "Latino"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #5 March 31, 2015 jclalor***Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? First off, The 4th of July is a holiday and there is no school, second, do you know the definition of "Latino"? Ever heard of summer school?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sourpuss 0 #6 March 31, 2015 jclalor***Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? do you know the definition of "Latino"? Okay, call them Mexican-Americans. Now, back to the question. If Mexican-American students wearing Mexican flags would cause fights to break out with European-American students, then should Mexican flags be banned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 March 31, 2015 Quote If Mexican-American students wearing Mexican flags would cause fights to break out with European-American students, then should Mexican flags be banned? yes. Though, and some one correct me if I am wrong, I don't think the flag was outright banned from the school. It was just for the duration of that event, considering the potential for violence......in a high school. Maybe violence is a problem that should be addressed in the US? I know, you should have a War on Violence! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #8 March 31, 2015 Jesus... It must be really exhausting for people to get offended by everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 March 31, 2015 QuoteLos Angeles lawyer William Becker, who sued on behalf of the parents, called the court’s decision a victory for “bullies” and a defeat for free speech. “This opens the door for a school to suppress any viewpoints that are opposed by a band of vocal and violent bullies,” he said. I personally find that to be a very compelling argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #10 March 31, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteLos Angeles lawyer William Becker, who sued on behalf of the parents, called the court’s decision a victory for “bullies” and a defeat for free speech. “This opens the door for a school to suppress any viewpoints that are opposed by a band of vocal and violent bullies,” he said. I personally find that to be a very compelling argument. Me too. But who are the "vocal and violent bullies" in this case? Generally, this was a "difficult" case, because the 'speech' that was suppressed was "Pro-American" and patriotic (supposedly). It was probably more xenophobic and anti-immigrant, but that's not how it was presented by a lot of people. Telling people that they can't express their patriotism when the "furriners" are doing just that sounds Anti-American and "pandering to the special interest groups at the expense of real Americans." Which is how it was presented by a lot of the media/internet. But the reality is that there seemed to have been a group of students that wanted to 'start shit' by shoving their US flag shirts in the face of the people celebrating Cinquo de Mayo. And the principal was worried that it would cause a problem. The concept of "In Loco Parentis" (if I have that right) is that the school acts as parents when the kids are there. And if the principal decided that the people wearing the US flag shirts were doing it to deliberately provoke the others, then saying "knock it off" wasn't really inappropriate. I wasn't there, and I don't know the whole story or the overall situation. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't more to it than was presented by the media."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sourpuss 0 #11 March 31, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteLos Angeles lawyer William Becker, who sued on behalf of the parents, called the court’s decision a victory for “bullies” and a defeat for free speech. “This opens the door for a school to suppress any viewpoints that are opposed by a band of vocal and violent bullies,” he said. I personally find that to be a very compelling argument. Yes indeed. What are the school officials going to do about all the fights that break out between opposing fans at high school football games? Ban football? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sourpuss 0 #12 March 31, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteIf Mexican-American students wearing Mexican flags would cause fights to break out with European-American students, then should Mexican flags be banned? yes. Are you sure you want to take that position? Because that policy would mean that anytime violence results from someone's display of something, then that display could be banned. And people would use that position to start violence just as an excuse to prohibit things they don't like. the next thing you know, everything is forbidden, and no one is allowed to express anything. There goes the 1st Amendment. The way it should work is this: Free Speech guarantees that people are going to say and do things which offend you. Get over it. Be tolerant and respectful of others, because you'll want the same for yourself. Ah hell, that'll never work... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 March 31, 2015 Sourpuss***QuoteIf Mexican-American students wearing Mexican flags would cause fights to break out with European-American students, then should Mexican flags be banned? yes. Are you sure you want to take that position? Because that policy would mean that anytime violence results from someone's display of something, then that display could be banned. And people would use that position to start violence just as an excuse to prohibit things they don't like. the next thing you know, everything is forbidden, and no one is allowed to express anything. There goes the 1st Amendment. The way it should work is this: Free Speech guarantees that people are going to say and do things which offend you. Get over it. Be tolerant and respectful of others, because you'll want the same for yourself. Ah hell, that'll never work... No, because this was specific to a school setting. Violence should still be punished. This was a decision for that specific day afaik. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 March 31, 2015 jclalorThis one will cause the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-american-flag-20150330-story.html Wait until the school has a Christian appreciation day and atheist kids are sent home for protesting it because the Christians may riot. Under the holding this is not something that is disallowed. Not only is the speech restriction content based but the heckler's veto is now established. Either ban all flags at all times or ban none. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #15 March 31, 2015 turtlespeed******Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? First off, The 4th of July is a holiday and there is no school, second, do you know the definition of "Latino"? Ever heard of summer school? Yes, I have heard of summer school. have you ever heard of a school being in session on July 4th? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #16 March 31, 2015 Politically correct free speech only please. Students who don't know this are taught it the hard way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 March 31, 2015 lawrocket***This one will cause the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-american-flag-20150330-story.html Wait until the school has a Christian appreciation day and atheist kids are sent home for protesting it because the Christians may riot. Under the holding this is not something that is disallowed. Not only is the speech restriction content based but the heckler's veto is now established. Either ban all flags at all times or ban none. Agreed. The rulings make me very uncomfortable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 March 31, 2015 Andy9o8******This one will cause the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-american-flag-20150330-story.html Wait until the school has a Christian appreciation day and atheist kids are sent home for protesting it because the Christians may riot. Under the holding this is not something that is disallowed. Not only is the speech restriction content based but the heckler's veto is now established. Either ban all flags at all times or ban none. Agreed. The rulings make me very uncomfortable. It has happended again We agree on something"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #19 March 31, 2015 Andy9o8******This one will cause the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-american-flag-20150330-story.html Wait until the school has a Christian appreciation day and atheist kids are sent home for protesting it because the Christians may riot. Under the holding this is not something that is disallowed. Not only is the speech restriction content based but the heckler's veto is now established. Either ban all flags at all times or ban none. Agreed. The rulings make me very uncomfortable. It is an absurd ruling. It seems like prior restraint of the potential victim of an imagined crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #20 March 31, 2015 jclalor*********Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? First off, The 4th of July is a holiday and there is no school, second, do you know the definition of "Latino"? Ever heard of summer school? Yes, I have heard of summer school. have you ever heard of a school being in session on July 4th? Yes, I have.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #21 March 31, 2015 turtlespeed************Will Latino students be forbidden to wear a Mexican flag on American Independence Day? First off, The 4th of July is a holiday and there is no school, second, do you know the definition of "Latino"? Ever heard of summer school? Yes, I have heard of summer school. have you ever heard of a school being in session on July 4th? Yes, I have. So have I. In England.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #22 April 1, 2015 Oh yeah? No taxation without representation! How do you like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
