Islam...the religion of peace?

[normiss 895]

Pretty similar to my studies.

I had questions after every verse.

Hence my understanding of unquestionable garbage.

After spending the past few days in Rome, complete confirmation.
The media chosen to "teach" the uneducated in that time tells it all.
Impressive yet laughable.

[normiss 895]

Please try to bring some quality beer. I'm planning on trying my best to do the same. I hear its warm there in season.

[Coreeece 2]

normiss

Pretty similar to my studies.

I had questions after every verse.

Hence my understanding of unquestionable garbage.

After spending the past few days in Rome, complete confirmation.
The media chosen to "teach" the uneducated in that time tells it all.
Impressive yet laughable.

You seem really excited to tell us about what you've learned on your field trip, but could you please calm down a bit so the rest of the class can understand you?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 895]

Provable and documented history is quite impressive.
Try it sometime. You just might learn something.

[Coreeece 2]

Or I could just go to Rome and become a know-it-all in as little as 3 days, apparently...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 895]

Well damn! You're a genius!
I never realized it. My lifetime of experience, travels around the globe, being raised in a Christian home, growing up in churches, running a church day care, teaching Sunday school for 10 years, chaperone and counselor to high school students taught me nothing!
It was Rome?

[RonD1120 62]

You are guided to believe the One Whom the Bible reveals. Arguing texts is arguing religion.

It is relationship, Relationship, RELATIONSHIP.

ETA:

Quote

Faith is not some weak and pitiful emotion, but is strong and vigorous confidence built on the fact that God is holy love. And even though you cannot see Him right now and cannot understand what He is doing, you know Him. ~Oswald Chambers

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[winsor 236]

RonD1120

You are guided to believe the One Whom the Bible reveals. Arguing texts is arguing religion.

It is relationship, Relationship, RELATIONSHIP.

ETA:

Quote

Faith is not some weak and pitiful emotion, but is strong and vigorous confidence built on the fact that God is holy love. And even though you cannot see Him right now and cannot understand what He is doing, you know Him. ~Oswald Chambers

"He's dead, Jim."

[Coreeece 2]

normiss

Well damn! You're a genius!
I never realized it. My lifetime of experience, travels around the globe, being raised in a Christian home, growing up in churches, running a church day care, teaching Sunday school for 10 years, chaperone and counselor to high school students taught me nothing!
It was Rome?

You've said numerous times that you've never understood scripture, yet you've taught it for 10 years? Reminds me of that vicious cycle coming up in the catholic church of the blind leading the blind.

But whatever...I'll see your personal incredulity and raise you a bandwagon of believers...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[okalb 104]

Coreeece

You've said numerous times that you've never understood scripture, yet you've taught it for 10 years? Reminds me of that vicious cycle coming up in the catholic church of the blind leading the blind.

Not to speak for normiss, and if I am wrong about his statements, I am sure he will correct me, but I think you misunderstand. It is not that he doesn't understand scripture. He understands it as well as anyone can understand a work of fiction. What he doesn't understand is why anyone would believe it to be the truth.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[normiss 895]

Boom.

[RonD1120 62]

It is the experience of belief that seals the deal. It is called being born again. Faith, belief and surrender create the spiritual rebirth.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 895]

Apparently that's not always true.
I thought I had thst, for awhile.

The truth shall set you free. It did me.
I'm no longer judged by people taking my money and lying to me, just a little bit of righteous judgement here when, like you other "believer" when I express my view on it.

[Coreeece 2]

normiss

Apparently that's not always true.
I thought I had thst, for awhile.

The truth shall set you free. It did me.
I'm no longer judged by people taking my money and lying to me, just a little bit of righteous judgement here when, like you other "believer" when I express my view on it.

Dude...you bring this on yourself. I have no idea wtf you're talking about.

If you're free, then great....the world is yours....please, please feel free to enjoy it while it lasts....make the best of it and savor every moment.

If you're still unsatisfied in the end, we'll still be here for you.

God bless...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 895]

Ah validation. From you.
Means as much as your "salvation".

Enjoy your day, we're off to Florence!

[Coreeece 2]

Don't dine within view of the Duomo

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Suslique 0]

hi everyone.

I’ve been reading this forum for a while now, mainly because of the accidents sub-forum but soon enough discovered tons of anti-islamic topics and islamophobic posts. i contemplated whether to write something or not but i guess i just have to.

i want to stress the fact that i have no intention of starting an argument because everyone is entitled to their own opinion and my only intention here is to bring you muslim’s perspective over what was written before.

1. first one is mass media and portrayal of islam in mass media. we can throw links at each other all day, i will find horrible things about US (indefinite detentions without trials, off-grid prisons like Guantanamo, war crimes, police brutality etc) but it won’t bring us anywhere. want to get to the bottom of it? please take time and read a magnificent book by Noam Chomsky “Manufacturing Consent”, at least google about “Worthy and unworthy victims” which is a chapter from the above mentioned book. think outside the box, don’t let propaganda influence your thoughts.

2. Boogeyman. Having a Boogeyman is convenient. Us vs Them. Good vs Evil. it makes everyone feel better about themselves, doesn’t it? barbaric muslims, slave owning states.

the image of a muslim for average american is so dehumanised (thank you mass media and “faux” news) that it makes perfectly acceptable to express racism openly, since “muslims are not really people, that are just bunch of crazy psychopaths”. Nobody can do this to homosexuals anymore or jews, maybe african americans but from what we can see from mass media its not always the case still unfortunately.

The uncomfortable truth is that there is no boogeyman. Islam is not violent, it doesn’t propagate violence and if you are seeing that in Quran you may need to read it with commentary, that will explain to you the historical facts about that period but honestly i don’t see it anywhere, maybe because i have a wider knowledge about islamic history.

If you want to clarify those moments feel free to PM me or message me here i will do my absolute best to help you out.

Violent people who are unfortunately muslims? absolutely, of course they exist. just as well as among christians, atheists, jews, you name it. like football fans in UK. there are normal people and there are crazy maniacs who turn the whole thing upside down just because they are violent in nature. you know just like skydivers. it takes one irresponsible idiot to cause a disaster and everyone is like “you see skydiving is irresponsible and DANGEROUS, and those people are crazy!” and it makes some of us , grown adults, hide this hobby from their parents as a result :D .

see what I’m saying? human factor, humans are weak and prone to making mistakes. that's okay, its natural. the problem arises when they try to justify their actions instead of regretting/fixing them.

i do blame my own “tribe” of muslims, however, for regressing back instead of going forward (no I’m not talking about modifying Islam, its as good as it is, I’m talking about sticking to islamic teachings instead of following tradition or your own selfish plans).

i personally think that the regression of muslim states is the result of people letting go the original islam. when they were sticking to original teachings everything was the opposite.

Islamic golden age, science, poetry, architecture, human rights (women were allowed to own businesses and property, divorce their husbands, forced marriages were forbidden and whatnot when in Europe they used to burn cats and women and scientists accusing them in witchcraft). is it a spiritual point of view, yes. when we practiced islam as a lifestyle, God was giving His blessings to us, but when we started forgetting what living islam was and started turning back to backwards stupid traditions instead of Islam we lost the blessing. regressed.

however, islamic states nowadays especially such as UAE are far from what you see on your tv:) yes, they do have their traditions and laws that should be respected and obeyed but so is US or any other country. marrying 4 wives is not allowed in US so we don’t do that :D by the way, muslim should obey the rules of the country he/she is living in. but most of the laws are the same anyways, don’t steal, don’t kill, etc

3. Muhammad. Why so much hate? My advise is to read a biography written by Martin Lings. Theres an audio version of this book as well, pretty good read.

Marrying Aisha is bothering you? the real marriage occurred only after her puberty. and yes back in a day people were considered an adult once hitting puberty. look at your own ancestry I’m pretty sure only couple of centuries ago most of your grandmas and grandpas were what is it now called “teen moms” and “teen dads”. times changed, and its not allowed anymore, we have marital laws about it and muslim HAS to abide the laws.

4.SHARIAH LAWS. boo! so scary. Shariah laws are only applicable in the islamic state (no, isis is not a legitimate islamic state, they are bunch of psychopaths funded by God knows who).

it was applicable in Khalifat back in a day. we don’t have any anymore. some of the laws are applicable in countries such as UAE or KS. no, women should not be arrested after the rape, its idiotic (those that i have heard of were pardoned that i know of, but thats not the point). it has NO basis in islamic crime laws.

the whole stoning thing is blown out of proportion and even in the time of Khalifat there were rare cases when it was used, since the conditions for such a harsh punishment are virtually impossible to prove in real life. its a long topic but whatever we sometimes witness nowadays (hello, Iran!) is not based on original laws.

no one can impose islamic laws in western countries, its funny how people take this stuff seriously. no, the “jihad” that you are being fed from your TV screens is also not from Quran or Islam. yes, back in a day, when khalifat was growing (which was the common practice back then, but some countries still think that they have rights to occupy others *coughisraelcough*) the idol worshipping tribes were given couple of options, to leave, to accept Islam, to stick to the contracts that they had with muslims etc. those who decided to fight were faced with fighting. the rules of war were extremely civilised for that times. there is a good video explaining the “verse of the sword” on youtube by Dr Yasir Qadhi (he has a PhD in philosophy of Yale University if it may convince you to listen to him), if you are open minded enough go and listen to it, it tells you the historical background of the same verse, he talks about first Hajj at the end, you may skip it, it has nothing to do with that verse.

5. Travel. I know a woman who lives in a small city in US and have never seen a “real” muslim in her life and she was shocked after chatting to me. I’m not sure what she expected but I’m happy she stumbled upon me lol

We, people who live in Eastern Hemisphere are closer to all the diversity of nations and religions and traditions. Come over, get a ticket, if you are too scared to go to muslim country, visit London its practically the same :D :D on a serious note, there are islamic conventions held in US all the time, go visit, ask a question, we don’t bite!

this is officially the longest comment i wrote in my entire life on a forum. i need a sandwich. peace out!

p.s. edited because of grammar, english is not my first or even second language, sorry :D

'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave.'
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

[turtlespeed 226]

I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

How very indicative of your ILK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Faux is a French word for "false".

I think its an indication of the level of no child left behind and the school books that come out of that part of this country.

[Suslique 0]

turtlespeed

I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

as i pointed above (but you haven't read till that point), english is not my first language so spelling mistakes are likely to happen. i don't see any of those words you mentioned in my post except faux news. well i guess thank you for reading as much as you read. i can't please everyone's taste :) have a good day!

'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave.'
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

[turtlespeed 226]

Amazon

***I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

How very indicative of your ILK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Faux is a French word for "false".

I think its an indication of the level of no child left behind and the school books that come out of that part of this country.

Show me where the TM or copyright for Faux News is on any Fox Channel, and I will apologize. Otherwise it is trolling, which you claim to be above . . .
Troll Troll Troll you post . . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

******I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

How very indicative of your ILK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Faux is a French word for "false".

I think its an indication of the level of no child left behind and the school books that come out of that part of this country.

Show me where the TM or copyright for Faux News is on any Fox Channel, and I will apologize. Otherwise it is trolling, which you claim to be above . . .
Troll Troll Troll you post . . . .

Oh did we hit a nerve?????
Only such a stellar news source as FAUX could do something like this.... http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

[Suslique 0]

turtlespeed

******I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

How very indicative of your ILK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Faux is a French word for "false".

I think its an indication of the level of no child left behind and the school books that come out of that part of this country.

Show me where the TM or copyright for Faux News is on any Fox Channel, and I will apologize. Otherwise it is trolling, which you claim to be above . . .
Troll Troll Troll you post . . . .

please don't get offended but they kind of deserve that name
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/12/fox-news-expert-ridiculed-over-birmingham-is-totally-muslim-city-claims

'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave.'
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

[Amazon 7]

Suslique

*********I was going to read this whole thing, but then you jumped on the band wagon with funjumper, Amazon, Mpohl, and their elks with categorically incorrect spellings and buzz words.

I wish I could have finished it, I am sure a lot of thought went into it, and I was agreeing with the original idea. I just cant see myself wasting time and effort when things like Faux News, Libertard, Conservitard, and the like are used in an argument. I just shut down the reading at that point.

Thanks for your efforts though. i am sure some here will read it. Unfortunately it will likely be only the ones that use those words coined above.

How very indicative of your ILK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux

Faux is a French word for "false".

I think its an indication of the level of no child left behind and the school books that come out of that part of this country.

Show me where the TM or copyright for Faux News is on any Fox Channel, and I will apologize. Otherwise it is trolling, which you claim to be above . . .
Troll Troll Troll you post . . . .

please don't get offended but they kind of deserve that name
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/12/fox-news-expert-ridiculed-over-birmingham-is-totally-muslim-city-claims

I have used it for years.... not offended at all... like I said.. they went to court to be able to misinform their loyal viewers.... the least informed people... lapping it up every day... more fear all the time....

[Suslique 0]

Amazon

I have used it for years.... not offended at all... like I said.. they went to court to be able to misinform their loyal viewers.... the least informed people... lapping it up every day... more fear all the time....

fear removes rational thinking and puts people into fight/flight mode. this strategy is widely used by mass media to switch peoples' attention from important topics all the time, ebola, shariah laws all that crap all the time. even flu. i was a part of a Facebook parenting group and most of the american mothers are petrified of FLU! common flu. so every time someone posted something against flu vaccinations people would get all crazy. people can't care less about flu over here. just a small example...

'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave.'
George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones