We have known this all along

[rushmc 23]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/smooch-study-of-130213-stories-shows-obama-bias-in-2012-election/article/2561554

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"Overall, media reporting contained more frequently positive statements about the Democrats than the Republicans. Overall, the Republicans were more frequently the object of negative statements," wrote the study authors, Their conclusion: "The Republican Party is the most divisive subject in the campaign, and is portrayed in a more negative fashion than the Democrats."

and


This one is new

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/study-finds-irs-suppression-of-tea-party-swung-2012-election/article/2536756

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Study finds IRS suppression of Tea Party swung 2012 election

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

Other parties frequently reported in a negative light?

Nazi, Communist, ISIS

Just because "The Media" reports a party as being evil, doesn't mean they're being unfair.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skymiles 3]

Maybe republicans are bigger fuckups.

You don't hear about all the drivers who got home safely. You just hear about the ones who wrecked their car.

[rushmc 23]

You give real meaning to predictability.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

rushmc

You give real meaning to predictability.

I'm certain to your way of thinking that's 100% true. In a way, maybe it is. I mean, yes, I probably will call you out on your bullshit every time I see it. So... maybe.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

quade

***You give real meaning to predictability.

I'm certain to your way of thinking that's 100% true. In a way, maybe it is. I mean, yes, I probably will call you out on your bullshit every time I see it. So... maybe.LOL

I love you man!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

Seems to me a party that is anti science and anti intellectual and anti the poor and anti worker is deserving of negative coverage..

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Seems to me a party that is anti science and anti intellectual and anti the poor and anti worker is deserving of negative coverage..

Yes
the dems got some growing up to do
Then they might, just might, stop the lies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

rushmc

***Seems to me a party that is anti science and anti intellectual and anti the poor and anti worker is deserving of negative coverage..

Yes
the dems got some growing up to do
Then they might, just might, stop the lies

Hold your breath . . . they will change.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

Seems to me a party that is anti science and anti intellectual and anti the poor and anti worker is deserving of negative coverage..

Speaking of, did you happen to see this?


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/236132-house-passes-bill-to-prevent-epa-secret-science

Note the Presidential promise to veto any bill that requires disclosing the scientific basis for making rules and regulations. Apparently, there is a party out there (not all of them) that thinks that providing the actual scientific justification for policy is onerous.

The Democratic leadership's position is clear. Science is what they say it is. And anyone who wants to actually see the science is antiscience. Only the Democrats can see the science because the public just doesn't deserve it.

One party says they don't know what the science is. The other party says only they are entitled to it. Think of the Catholic Church before the schism. They'll be damned if some peasant is going to read the Bible. That person might interpret it in a way that could be seditious.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

lawrocket

Speaking of, did you happen to see this?

Did you happen to notice the Newspeak-like phrasing of the bill's title? Similar to "Patriot Act" or "Clean Water Act"? Typical of many Republican bills which completely defy logic in their titles and propose exactly the opposite of what a normal person might infer from the title?

The bill is a total bullshit bill because it's sole purpose is to almost infinitely delay all proposals by the EPA. As soon as anything is proposed, Republicans will ask for endless delays while they independently verify the science, which of course, means they'll never pass anything because they'll just find someone to deny whatever it is; just like they do with climate change.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[lawrocket 3]

So which agencies should be exempt from Blue Sky policies?

It's not about Republicans. It's about public comment. You know how there is a public comment period when a regulation is proposed? This has a history of being a bipartisan issuea. So when the EPA mandates that refiners use cellulosic biofuels on the basis of research indicating that those biofuels are feasible for production and actually fines refiners for not using it even though it is not commercially produced or available, one would think that the studies indicating the viability would be available for review and comment.

This has turned into a partisan thing. It's a shame that the idea of even opening up comment on the basis for a regulation is deemed to be horrifying. That people shouldn't look into why the government is doing something.

Yes, even the First Bush admin sat on the NAPAP study that found that acid rain wasn't a main contributor to lake acifldification until after statutes and regs were put out there.

"Hey. We've got evidence of WMDs in Iraq. We need to go get them."
"Let's see the evidence."
"No. Trust me. It's there."

I'm stunned that people think this is what government should do.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Stumpy 284]

quade

***Speaking of, did you happen to see this?

Did you happen to notice the Newspeak-like phrasing of the bill's title? Similar to "Patriot Act" or "Clean Water Act"? Typical of many Republican bills which completely defy logic in their titles and propose exactly the opposite of what a normal person might infer from the title?

The bill is a total bullshit bill because it's sole purpose is to almost infinitely delay all proposals by the EPA. As soon as anything is proposed, Republicans will ask for endless delays while they independently verify the science, which of course, means they'll never pass anything because they'll just find someone to deny whatever it is; just like they do with climate change.

The main picture in that article is pretty funny - talk about appealing to the republican base.....

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 62]

Bravo Sierra

The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is how left of center they function on a given issue.

America needs a real conservative party in politics.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rehmwa 2]

quade

Did you happen to notice the Newspeak-like phrasing of the bill's title? Similar to "Patriot Act" or "Clean Water Act"? Typical of many Republican bills which completely defy logic in their titles and propose exactly the opposite of what a normal person might infer from the title?

yes......only Republicans do this........

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

RonD1120

Bravo Sierra

The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is how left of center they function on a given issue.

America needs a real conservative party in politics.

No, they need a party that is fiscally conservative (unlike the two parties we currently have) that is also socially accepting and non-intrusive (unlike the two parties we currently have)

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

Bravo Sierra

The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is how left of center they function on a given issue.

America needs a real conservative party in politics.

I guess that all depends on where you put "center."

Most people put it where they are (or at least close).

I'd bet you would put yourself "a little right of center", just like a couple others on here.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[lawrocket 3]

rehmwa

***Bravo Sierra

The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is how left of center they function on a given issue.

America needs a real conservative party in politics.

No, they need a party that is fiscally conservative (unlike the two parties we currently have) that is also socially accepting and non-intrusive (unlike the two parties we currently have)

This is why I went libertarian 20 years ago.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

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This is why I went libertarian 20 years ago.

Too bad the national party can't seem to get its shit together and nominate a decent national candidate. I'll probably support them if their candidate doesn't make me roll my eyes. In fact, I voted for the Libertarian candidate in the last governor's election in my state.

- Dan G

[quade 4]

lawrocket

So which agencies should be exempt from Blue Sky policies?

You're misrepresenting what is going on with this bill and I suspect you know it.

IF all it was, was about transparency, then standard peer review would suffice. However, that's NOT what's going on. This is a blatant attempt to delay progress on environmental issues.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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Apparently, there is a party out there (not all of them) that thinks that providing the actual scientific justification for policy is onerous.

You overlook the fact that the law as written would require to EPA to either release personal identifying data on every participant in any clinical study they used (which would put them in violation of HIPPA), or not use that study at all as a source of information. Similarly, any proprietary information provided to the EPA by private companies (such as, for example, the composition of fracking fluids) would have to be made public. No industry is going to cooperate with the EPA if that requires them to publicly disclose trade secrets.

This is plainly a bill designed to paralyze the EPA and make it impossible to access much of the information needed to make rational decisions about any environmental pollutant.

Similarly the other bill (summary here) that passed the House a while back would bar any scientist from discussing or referencing their own work in advising the EPA. For example, because I have received NIH funding to work on mosquito-transmitted diseases I would be banned from providing expert testimony, on anything having to do with vector-borne diseases. If you exclude all the scientists who actually work on a topic from providing expertise, who do you have left?

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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even the First Bush admin sat on the NAPAP study that found that acid rain wasn't a main contributor to lake acifldification until after statutes and regs were put out there.

Back in the 70s I spent several summers working with people doing environmental surveys on lakes in Ontario and Quebec. These lakes, which had formerly been quite biologically productive (great fishing, for example), were at that time (mid 70s) almost sterile, and quite acid. They looked great, the water was super clear, but that was because they were also quite dead: no fish, virtually no phytoplankton or zooplankton. The bedrock was Canadian Shield, meaning granite, schist, and other igneous and metamorphic rock, but no carbonates (such as limestone or marble) to provide any buffering capacity. We were measuring the pH of rainfall as low as 3 at times.

Curiously enough, after regulations were passed that required scrubbers on smokestacks the pH of rainfall returned to closer to normal (slightly on the acid side due to CO2/carbonic acid). The pH of the lakes also rose, and they are again productive.

But I suppose that's all just a coincidence, and removing SO2 from the smokestack emissions had nothing to do with the pH of rainfall.

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[Stumpy 284]

RonD1120

Bravo Sierra

The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is how left of center they function on a given issue.

America needs a real conservative party in politics.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[lawrocket 3]

quade

***So which agencies should be exempt from Blue Sky policies?

You're misrepresenting what is going on with this bill and I suspect you know it.

IF all it was, was about transparency, then standard peer review would suffice. However, that's NOT what's going on. This is a blatant attempt to delay progress on environmental issues.

Yes. If by delay on environmental issue it also means more careful deliberation. As you know, Willie Soon was peer reviewed.

This is climate change in a political sense. But deliberate approaches seeing all sides and with both sides totally informed may stand in the way of swift action. For some reason, cook deliberation is now viewed as bad.

If everybody knows the facts it will slow things down. Yeah. I know. Wish everybody knew the facts instead of just the experts who got us into war in Iraq.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[RonD1120 62]

Probably to the right of Attila the Hun.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.