kallend 2,175 #101 March 23, 2015 rushmc*********>Well, right or wrong, at least alarmists are getting to know how deniers are dealt with Which US governmental organization prohibits the use of the word "skepticism" "doubt" or "alarmist?" Not talking about the gov I am talking about the way alarmists treat those that disagree with them in general On the other hand, the EPA is stepping way out of line to support the alarmists. So they are using thier power against the deniers More "Through the Looking Glass" from Marc. The courts will soon show you the way grasshopper How about you give us an example of the EPA gagging any climate researcher's choice of words.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #102 March 24, 2015 kallend************>Well, right or wrong, at least alarmists are getting to know how deniers are dealt with Which US governmental organization prohibits the use of the word "skepticism" "doubt" or "alarmist?" Not talking about the gov I am talking about the way alarmists treat those that disagree with them in general On the other hand, the EPA is stepping way out of line to support the alarmists. So they are using thier power against the deniers More "Through the Looking Glass" from Marc. The courts will soon show you the way grasshopper How about you give us an example of the EPA gagging any climate researcher's choice of words. How about this? From early on. His supervisor was reprimanded for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/science/earth/25epa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #103 March 24, 2015 >the EPA has gone beyond its legislative mandate. Its legislative mandate is to protect the environment. > this will play out in court I believe It has; the Supreme Court has ruled on the scope of the EPA, and they agree that it includes regulation of CO2 emissions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #104 March 24, 2015 billvon>the EPA has gone beyond its legislative mandate. Its legislative mandate is to protect the environment. > this will play out in court I believe It has; the Supreme Court has ruled on the scope of the EPA, and they agree that it includes regulation of CO2 emissions. Bill is correct. So Congress is looking at changing that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #105 March 24, 2015 lawrocket***************>Well, right or wrong, at least alarmists are getting to know how deniers are dealt with Which US governmental organization prohibits the use of the word "skepticism" "doubt" or "alarmist?" Not talking about the gov I am talking about the way alarmists treat those that disagree with them in general On the other hand, the EPA is stepping way out of line to support the alarmists. So they are using thier power against the deniers More "Through the Looking Glass" from Marc. The courts will soon show you the way grasshopper How about you give us an example of the EPA gagging any climate researcher's choice of words. How about this? From early on. His supervisor was reprimanded for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/science/earth/25epa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Nope, he's an economist, not a climate researcher, and he admits to shoddy work: Dr. Carlin’s highly skeptical views on global warming, which have been known for more than a decade within the small unit where he works, have been repeatedly challenged by scientists inside and outside the E.P.A.; that he holds a doctorate in economics, not in atmospheric science or climatology; that he has never been assigned to work on climate change; and that his comments on the endangerment finding were a product of rushed and at times shoddy scholarship, as he acknowledged Thursday in an interview.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #106 March 24, 2015 Ah. You did specifically mention that. Can you show me any Constitutional Scholar who specifically commented that banning words in the workplace violates any freedom guaranteed under the Constitution? Note: climate science is interdisciplinary. FYI: Gavin Schmidt is a mathematician My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #107 March 25, 2015 lawrocket***>the EPA has gone beyond its legislative mandate. Its legislative mandate is to protect the environment. > this will play out in court I believe It has; the Supreme Court has ruled on the scope of the EPA, and they agree that it includes regulation of CO2 emissions. Bill is correct. So Congress is looking at changing that. Not so fast Quote The Supreme Court fired a potential warning shot at EPA last year in its 2014 Utility Air Regulatory Group v EPA decision. The Supreme Court noted that: “When an agency claims to discover in a long-extant statute an unheralded power to regulate ‘a significant portion of the American economy’…we typically greet its announcement with a measure of skepticism.”As Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, a supporter of controls on CO2, has argued, the EPA proposal is legally vulnerable on a number of fronts. He wrote, “[T]he EPA, like every administrative agency, is constitutionally forbidden to exercise powers Congress never delegated to it in the first place. The brute fact is that the Obama administration failed to get climate legislation through Congress. Yet the EPA is acting as though it has the legislative authority anyway to re-engineer the nation’s electric generating system and power grid. It does not. He is not alone in his concerns. In comments on EPA’s proposed rule, 32 U.S. states challenged its legality. Faced with litigation challenges, it is more likely than not that U.S. Courts will reject at least part of the EPA regulatory agenda related to new and existing power plants – placing at risk a significant portion of the U.S. reduction goal. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #108 March 26, 2015 From last night's The Daily Show: A clip from the FL Senate, with a senator trying to goad the FL State Emergency Mgt Chief into saying "climate change". (Clip set to start at 2m40s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSA2_zlCyb8&t=2m40s "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #109 April 9, 2015 It appears that Wisconsin is following Florida's lead: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/for-some-wisconsin-state-workers-climate-change-isn-t-something-you-can-talk-about... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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