kallend 2,175 #1 March 5, 2015 A bunch of Christian state senators refuse to attend invocation by Hindu. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/3/idaho-senate-opens-with-hindu-prayer-3-lawmakers-p/ Yet all over the Bible Belt Christian lawmakers want to have Christian prayers in their legislatures, post the 10 commandments in public spaces, have prayer in schools, and etc., etc., etc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #2 March 5, 2015 Is it too freaking much to accept peoples differences? what in the hell is the problem if someone prays in a different manner or to a different diety anyhow - while they are doing thiers silently send yours to your god... I don't believe in any god however I will still bow my head in respect for the belief of those around me if and when a prayer is invoked. bunch of childish fuckers in this world... Roy oh damn... just realized I agree with you....worlds gonna stop spinning any moment! They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 March 5, 2015 D22369 Is it too freaking much to accept peoples differences? what in the hell is the problem if someone prays in a different manner or to a different diety anyhow - while they are doing thiers silently send yours to your god... I don't believe in any god however I will still bow my head in respect for the belief of those around me if and when a prayer is invoked. bunch of childish fuckers in this world... Roy oh damn... just realized I agree with you....worlds gonna stop spinning any moment! its the nature of religion. In order for your faithful to truly believe, they have to "know" that theirs is the only way. Simple fanaticism.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 March 5, 2015 The City Council I'm on is one of the few that still has an invocation in our region. We have a Muslim and Christians (Catholic and Protestant) on the Council. A Jewish lawyers sits on the dais with us. We often have Protestant ministers give the invocation and invoke the name of Christ. Those who are more sensitive which include a Catholic and a Methodist pray in the name of God known by many names and don't invoke Christ. We routinely have Hindu and Jewish clergy. When the local atheist activist voiced concerns about our invocation we invited him to give it. He gladly accepted and has given a non religious invocation two or three times. We've had Wicca and a sort of Earth worship rain pole thing that I think claimed to be native American but in reality but wasn't by a Native American but the local wasp, hippy kook.Whether these legislators truly believed their version of faith required them to not attend or they were playing to their voter base (and most politicians will do anything for a vote, but not me, ask anyone) I don't know but that sort of intolerance is inexcusable in any public official. But now all to common. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #5 March 5, 2015 There definitely should be more city councils like yours. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 March 5, 2015 BillyVance There definitely should be more city councils like yours. Why should any council of government in the US have anything whatsoever to do with religion?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #7 March 5, 2015 D22369 I don't believe in any god however I will still bow my head in respect for the belief of those around me if and when a prayer is invoked. oh damn... just realized I agree with you....worlds gonna stop spinning any moment! Unlike your post, I highly doubt that the heart of the OP is to promote tolerance and respect for religion, especially in the public square. I doubt you agree with him as much as you think you do...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #8 March 5, 2015 Politics should happen at political gathering and meetings. Religion should be saved for religious events. The two have less than zero to do with the other. Just start your business without talking to invisible "beings". I'd have a little more faith in our leaders if they did that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #9 March 5, 2015 normiss Politics should happen at political gathering and meetings. Religion should be saved for religious events. The two have less than zero to do with the other. Just start your business without talking to invisible "beings". I'd have a little more faith in our leaders if they did that. I'd have more faith in our leaders if they'd just stop playing politics, which often leads to using religion in an opportunistic and manipulative manner.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #10 March 5, 2015 For once, I can't disagree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #11 March 5, 2015 turtlespeed ***There definitely should be more city councils like yours. Why should any council of government in the US have anything whatsoever to do with religion? I meant in the context of tolerance for different religions, but I also think church and state should remain independent of each other."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 March 5, 2015 so every response so far is pretty much in agreement main theme "this show of disrespect for another group's beliefs sucks" and the slight theme of "this wouldn't be an issue if we'd just keep that crap out of politics in the first place and leave it to more personal private arenas" (the irony of, especially, the 1st point, vs what I might suspect is the OP's motivation to post this is interesting but there's irony in the 2nd point too and even some irony in the 2nd point when considered against the 1st point. you guys ROCK) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 March 5, 2015 rehmwa so every response so far is pretty much in agreement main theme "this show of disrespect for another group's beliefs sucks" and the slight theme of "this wouldn't be an issue if we'd just keep that crap out of politics in the first place and leave it to more personal private arenas" (the irony of, especially, the 1st point, vs what I might suspect is the OP's motivation to post this is interesting but there's irony in the 2nd point too and even some irony in the 2nd point when considered against the 1st point. you guys ROCK) Yes we do. I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #14 March 5, 2015 >Why should any council of government in the US have anything >whatsoever to do with religion? Because religion is part of some people's lives. In my neighborhood our polling place is in a church. Seems to work out OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #15 March 5, 2015 Churches, schools, and libraries is where I've always voted. Mostly churches oddly enough. :D Note they did NOT pray prior to voting though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 March 5, 2015 normissChurches, schools, and libraries is where I've always voted. Mostly churches oddly enough. :D Note they did NOT pray prior to voting though. I don't believe it is a good thing that prayer is a part of a governmental procedure.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 March 5, 2015 normissChurches, schools, and libraries is where I've always voted. Mostly churches oddly enough. :D Note they did NOT pray prior to voting though. usually that happens after the voting results are tallied ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #18 March 5, 2015 Coreeece ***I don't believe in any god however I will still bow my head in respect for the belief of those around me if and when a prayer is invoked. oh damn... just realized I agree with you....worlds gonna stop spinning any moment! Unlike your post, I highly doubt that the heart of the OP is to promote tolerance and respect for religion, especially in the public square. I doubt you agree with him as much as you think you do... I doubt you know me as well as you think you do.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #19 March 5, 2015 Not disagreeing per se - but is it "procedure" or just tradition? If its just tradition then I have no issue with it. Sing a song, do a Haka, whatever you like before the session. Actually, I reckon all councils would be improved if each councillor had to do a party piece before it started. If its procedure (i.e. nothing will get done without the prayer) then yep - totally agree.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #20 March 5, 2015 Interestingly, Hindus in India's Maharashtra state just banned the killing and consumption of beef. If the Muslims could get a ban on pork, they could all join the Catholics for a Friday fish fry. The one thing almost all religions have in common is intolerance for other religions. By the way, are you including Idaho in the Bible Belt?You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #21 March 6, 2015 turtlespeed***Churches, schools, and libraries is where I've always voted. Mostly churches oddly enough. :D Note they did NOT pray prior to voting though. I don't believe it is a good thing that prayer is a part of a governmental procedure. Sometimes I just question the sincerity of all these prayers. It's certainly not a good thing if prayer has become some type of superficial grandstanding...even worse if done out of spite. I found this particular instance to be a bit peculiar. Hindus represent less than 0.5% of the population in Idaho. I doubt if there was even another Hindu in attendance other than Rajan Zed - and he's not even from Idaho. I mean seriously, they had to outsource a Hindu from Reno...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #22 March 6, 2015 "Outsourcing a Hindu" is an American tradition. Am I going to hell for saying that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 March 6, 2015 Andy9o8 "Outsourcing a Hindu" is an American tradition. Am I going to hell for saying that? No....just reincarnated as a rat.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 March 6, 2015 SkyDekker ***"Outsourcing a Hindu" is an American tradition. Am I going to hell for saying that? No....just reincarnated as a rat.... I don't see the difference. Lawyer, rat, shark, same same sameI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #25 March 6, 2015 turtlespeed ******"Outsourcing a Hindu" is an American tradition. Am I going to hell for saying that? No....just reincarnated as a rat.... I don't see the difference. Lawyer, rat, shark, same same sameNot hardly. There is reportedly a movement among researchers to use attorneys in lieu of rats for animal testing. It turns out that some of the researchers empathize with the rats, and there are some things even a rat won't do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
