Broke multiple laws no problem 3 years free tax refunds

[Anvilbrother 0]

You broke a law when you entered the country illegally.
You broke a law when you remained here illegally.
You broke a law by not paying taxes, or you broke a law by stealing someones identity to have a SS number.

But Obama says no problem 4 million illegals, here have a new SS number, and by the way don't forget that we allow you to go back for 3 years and redo your taxes to get that refund you never paid into.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/03/03/obama-immigration-fix-4m-illegals-who-never-paid-u-s-tax-get-3-years-of-tax-refunds/

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[airdvr 210]

How else will you grow the Dem voter base?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[billvon 3,112]

>You broke a law by not paying taxes, or you broke a law by stealing
>someones identity to have a SS number.

Or you legally paid your taxes, which most illegal aliens do.

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billvon

>You broke a law by not paying taxes, or you broke a law by stealing
>someones identity to have a SS number.

Or you legally paid your taxes, which most illegal aliens do.

Anecdotal funny story:

My girlfriend's sister had her identity stolen, and her credit rating improved because the person who took out a credit card in her name made all the payments in full and on time at the end of the month. For 6 years.

cavete terrae.

[Anvilbrother 0]

How do you legally pay taxes as an illegal alien with no ss number?

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

With an ITIN.

The IRS isn't allowed to share the info with "La Migra."

A lot of illegals use the fact that they faithfully paid taxes for years to help gain legal status.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes-2012-3

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[billvon 3,112]

>How do you legally pay taxes as an illegal alien with no ss number?

By withholding. Then the money is sent to the IRS, which puts it in a suspense account (holds onto it until they can match payer to tax.) If no one matches they eventually use it as regular tax income.

By using an ITIN number, which is the equivalent of a SS number for aliens (legal or illegal.) They are free to get, and millions do get them, but do not entitle the holder to benefits like EITC or SS.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Holy fucking broken system. Look we know your here illegally, but you can pay us and by law we can't tell on you.

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[Andy9o8 2]

Anvilbrother

How do you legally pay taxes as an illegal alien with no ss number?

Well, they pay the same taxes on typical consumer goods and services that most everybody else does.
No, it's unlikely they pay income taxes on their pay for picking the produce on your plate, for which they almost certainly get paid below minimum wage. And if you're worried about how much in tax revenue goes uncollected for that, compare it to the fact that most of the income earned by the wealthiest people in the US is taxed not as ordinary income (like yours or mine), but at the bargain-basement 15% rate for capital gains. How much is lost by not taxing that shit as ordinary income?

Look at the big picture.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Andy9o8

...No, it's unlikely they pay income taxes on their pay for picking the produce on your plate, for which they almost certainly get paid below minimum wage...

Not according to the article I linked.

Estimated 11.2 billion (with a "B") in 2010.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

I am looking at the big picture they broke half a dozen laws to be here, then they ignore that fact to take their money. Come here legally then idgaf what you do here as long as you do it legally.

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[kallend 2,147]

Anvilbrother

You broke a law when you entered the country illegally.
You broke a law when you remained here illegally.
You broke a law by not paying taxes, or you broke a law by stealing someones identity to have a SS number.

But Obama says no problem 4 million illegals, here have a new SS number, and by the way don't forget that we allow you to go back for 3 years and redo your taxes to get that refund you never paid into.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/03/03/obama-immigration-fix-4m-illegals-who-never-paid-u-s-tax-get-3-years-of-tax-refunds/

Ummm - NO.

To be eligible for deferral of deportation you may NOT have been convicted of a felony (which both stealing a SS number and tax cheating are). Also not every illegal alien is eligible anyway.

You should do some fact-checking from time to time.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Anvilbrother

... Come here legally then idgaf what you do here as long as you do it legally.

You do realize that there is no way for most people to legally immigrate here these days, right?

The "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" isn't true and hasn't been for a while.

That door is closed.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

So can I put you down for our government being ok with letting 4 million felons walk free?

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[Anvilbrother 0]

Over a million people immigrate here legally every year, must not be impossible.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jun/20/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-us-admits-1-million-immigrants-ye/

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[GeorgiaDon 379]

Anvilbrother

Over a million people immigrate here legally every year, must not be impossible.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jun/20/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-us-admits-1-million-immigrants-ye/

I've written about this dozens of times in threads you were a participant in, so forgive me if I chalk you up as one of those people who are so fossilized in their prejudices that facts cannot penetrate their skull (or gut, in the case of "truthiness").

For the rest, there are only four ways to legally immigrate to the US:
1. You can be sponsored by an immediate family member who is a US citizen.
2. You can be sponsored by an employer, provided they prove you have skills they have searched for and were unable to find within the US, and provided they are willing to pay a lot in USCIS fees.
3. You can buy your way in by investing $1 million dollars in an approved business.
4. You can self-sponsor (no family or employer sponsor) only if you can prove you have exceptional skills in the sciences, arts, or athletics, such that it is clearly in the national interest to have you here.

I might note that a small number of green cards are awarded by the lottery system, but citizens of Mexico and the majority of other Latin American countries (as well as Canada, most European countries, China, India, and a bunch of other countries) are excluded entirely from the green card lottery.

Most people enter under #1, and somewhat lesser but still significant numbers under #2. Only a few have $1,000,000 in loose change to invest (#3), and #4 only includes people like athletes who we want to have on our Olympic teams, and people of that caliber of skill in a handful of fields.

For those who do have an immediate family member who is a US citizen, or do not have technical skills attractive enough to entice an employer to deal with seemingly endless paperwork and thousands of dollars in fees, there is essentially no way to come here legally. Ellis Island is a distant memory, the US is no longer welcoming of the tired, the poor, etc".

Don

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GeorgiaDon

***Over a million people immigrate here legally every year, must not be impossible.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jun/20/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-us-admits-1-million-immigrants-ye/

I've written about this dozens of times in threads you were a participant in, so forgive me if I chalk you up as one of those people who are so fossilized in their prejudices that facts cannot penetrate their skull (or gut, in the case of "truthiness").

For the rest, there are only four ways to legally immigrate to the US:
1. You can be sponsored by an immediate family member who is a US citizen.
2. You can be sponsored by an employer, provided they prove you have skills they have searched for and were unable to find within the US, and provided they are willing to pay a lot in USCIS fees.
3. You can buy your way in by investing $1 million dollars in an approved business.
4. You can self-sponsor (no family or employer sponsor) only if you can prove you have exceptional skills in the sciences, arts, or athletics, such that it is clearly in the national interest to have you here.

I might note that a small number of green cards are awarded by the lottery system, but citizens of Mexico and the majority of other Latin American countries (as well as Canada, most European countries, China, India, and a bunch of other countries) are excluded entirely from the green card lottery.

Most people enter under #1, and somewhat lesser but still significant numbers under #2. Only a few have $1,000,000 in loose change to invest (#3), and #4 only includes people like athletes who we want to have on our Olympic teams, and people of that caliber of skill in a handful of fields.

For those who do have an immediate family member who is a US citizen, or do not have technical skills attractive enough to entice an employer to deal with seemingly endless paperwork and thousands of dollars in fees, there is essentially no way to come here legally. Ellis Island is a distant memory, the US is no longer welcoming of the tired, the poor, etc".

Don


After putting up with a very similar system with a tremendous amount of institutional bias while I lived and worked in Australia for 8 years, I am exceedingly sympathetic to those who try to move to the US. It's a fucking nightmare.

To a certain extent I'm glad I couldn't get permanent residency since it finally gave me the impetus to move back to the US which has dramatically increased my quality of life and overall happiness, but I'm no less understanding of the struggles of those who try to emigrate to any country.

cavete terrae.

[Stumpy 284]

grue

After putting up with a very similar system with a tremendous amount of institutional bias while I lived and worked in Australia for 8 years, I am exceedingly sympathetic to those who try to move to the US. It's a fucking nightmare.

To a certain extent I'm glad I couldn't get permanent residency since it finally gave me the impetus to move back to the US which has dramatically increased my quality of life and overall happiness, but I'm no less understanding of the struggles of those who try to emigrate to any country.

Hmmm. From my experience, Australia and New Zealand are pretty easy to get into as long as you have

a) A useful skill on the skilled migrant list.
b) a Decent level of education
c) the hygiene factors - not too old, in good health, english speaking.

If you don't have those three things - you probably don't have the right to be here.
It is a LOT of bloody paperwork though.

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Stumpy

***
After putting up with a very similar system with a tremendous amount of institutional bias while I lived and worked in Australia for 8 years, I am exceedingly sympathetic to those who try to move to the US. It's a fucking nightmare.

To a certain extent I'm glad I couldn't get permanent residency since it finally gave me the impetus to move back to the US which has dramatically increased my quality of life and overall happiness, but I'm no less understanding of the struggles of those who try to emigrate to any country.

Hmmm. From my experience, Australia and New Zealand are pretty easy to get into as long as you have

a) A useful skill on the skilled migrant list.
b) a Decent level of education
c) the hygiene factors - not too old, in good health, english speaking.

If you don't have those three things - you probably don't have the right to be here.
It is a LOT of bloody paperwork though.


I had all of the above, and one TINY paperwork fuckup by my employer torched it all. Like, even Immi was like "yeah it's clear that it shouldn't matter but it does so get the fuck out. Thanks for the $10k you've spent through the application process though, sucker"

I did get a kick out of being able to say to people "You know I'm on a 457, right?" when they'd rant and rave about "fucking 457 cunts" stealing Australian jobs, though!

cavete terrae.

[billvon 3,112]

>Holy fucking broken system. Look we know your here illegally, but you can pay
>us and by law we can't tell on you.

So the system is broken because they don't pay taxes. And the system is broken because they can legally pay taxes.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Boy you guys can dodge an issue like your in the matrix. The broken part is we got millions of illegals, and government that is ignoring that fact, to sure as fuck take their money instead of fixing the situation.

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[billvon 3,112]

> The broken part is we got millions of illegals, and government that is ignoring
>that fact, to sure as fuck take their money instead of fixing the situation.

I agree there. Simplest/best way to fix that - make them not illegal. Let them work, pay taxes and support the government like everyone else.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Exactly!

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[turtlespeed 226]

billvon

>You broke a law by not paying taxes, or you broke a law by stealing
>someones identity to have a SS number.

Or you legally paid your taxes, which most illegal aliens do.

How do you legally pay taxes when you are in this country illegally?

If you start with the premise that they are here illegally, there is no "legal" that can possibly come after that.

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billvon

> The broken part is we got millions of illegals, and government that is ignoring
>that fact, to sure as fuck take their money instead of fixing the situation.

I agree there. Simplest/best way to fix that - make them not illegal. Let them work, pay taxes and support the government like everyone else.

Again - you cannot be legally giving money to the government that is illegal for you to be earning. Are you saying that the US Gov is just an illegal immigrant money laundering house?

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