Remember this ?

[turtlespeed 226]

Prediction Comes True

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[grimmie 186]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99591469

Another prediction comes true.

[skymiles 3]

Since we are playing this game. Remember this...Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

[turtlespeed 226]

skymiles

Since we are playing this game. Remember this...Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

So, you have no comment on how close his prediction is?

And Cheney was right, but this time we had allies.
I believe he was talking about Desert Storm . . . completely different issue.
But you knew that didn't you? You just wanted to, and attempted, to make the linked video a little less relevant.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[skymiles 3]

You seem to be forgetting about that pesky Status of Forces Agreement that Bush negotiated and signed with the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nuri al-Maliki, which stated that all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011. BTW, Bush installed Maliki and he wanted the US out.

Lets not rewrite history people. Bush is responsible for the current mess in Iraq. He invaded a country that was not threat to the US. Furthermore, he botched the war by not planning for the occupation, installing a revengeful partisan hack for a prime minister, and for the De-Ba'athification of the country which put most of the Sunnis out of work who, in part, morphed into ISIS.

Could Obama have re-negotiated the SFA? Maybe, but why should he? If Iraqis want fight for their country why should our troops. Lastly, I didn't see any of you chicken-hawks enlisting to go fight in Iraq or wherever. If you want to blame anyone for the mess in Iraq blame the fucking idiots who voted for Bush. It was no secret that Bush was not the brightest bulb before the 2000 election.

[Anvilbrother 0]

You should choose your words more carefully. You don't have a god damn clue who here served or sacrificed what for this country.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[skymiles 3]

Anvilbrother

You should choose your words more carefully. You don't have a god damn clue who here served or sacrificed what for this country.

Then speak up.

[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

Prediction Comes True

It's always astounding when someone claims the prophetic ability to foresee a fire, but has also spent the previous 6 years continually spilling gasoline.

[jclalor 12]

turtlespeed

Prediction Comes True

I wonder why he would sign the SOFA, that had a clearly agreed upon departure date for US troops? He says in this video that only military leaders could decide upon a departure date.

I wonder what ever happened to:

"We would be greeted as liberators"

"The cost of the war would be paid with by Iraqi oil"

" The Sunni-Shia divide was overrated "

" Democracy would blossom in the region"

" the coalition of the willing"

"The Iraqi army is nearly trained"

" The few remaing dead-enders"

And now you claim W was a visionary...Their gonna lap this shit up on Fox.






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[RonD1120 62]

Bottom line, BHO took office without leadership qualifications on an international level. He had and is carrying out a socialist agenda. That is all he was and is interested in. Well, that and his golf game and fund raising.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ryoder 1,590]

skymiles

You seem to be forgetting about that pesky Status of Forces Agreement that Bush negotiated and signed with the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nuri al-Maliki, which stated that all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011. BTW, Bush installed Maliki and he wanted the US out.

Lets not rewrite history people. Bush is responsible for the current mess in Iraq. He invaded a country that was not threat to the US. Furthermore, he botched the war by not planning for the occupation, installing a revengeful partisan hack for a prime minister, and for the De-Ba'athification of the country which put most of the Sunnis out of work who, in part, morphed into ISIS.

All true, and you forgot a big one:
Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2: Dissolution of Entities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Provisional_Authority_Order_2

Everybody involved was expecting the defeated Iraq Army would be reporting to the US Military after the defeat. US commanders were expecting that in order to be able to keep law & order. Iraqi career military people were expecting to continue their careers. But then Bremer rolled out this idiotic decision (no clue if he cooked it up or got it from above). So we put all the armed, trained, organized Iraq troops out on the street with no jobs.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,146]

turtlespeed

Prediction Comes True

Nice of you to remind us how Bush not only fucked up, but apparently knew ahead of time that what he would do would be a fuck up.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

***Prediction Comes True

Nice of you to remind us how Bush not only fucked up, but apparently knew ahead of time that what he would do would be a fuck up.

Oh my.

Even when facts are presented that show the right of a thing, you bash Bush.

I have never been a Bush fan, but I like him and his policies better than what we have now.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[airdvr 210]

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Their gonna lap this shit up on Fox

Ahem...They're. BTW...Barry doesn't get a pass on this one. He was warned by a bunch of senior military that this would be the result. He chose to ignore it.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Anvilbrother 0]

Like he just told the troops to go and they just went. I do beleive there were a few other politicians who gave the greenlight, and at the time most Americans were on board due to the recent events.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[grimmie 186]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpf5nDIs9M

An account of the fiasco.

[skymiles 3]

airdvr

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Their gonna lap this shit up on Fox

Ahem...They're. BTW...Barry doesn't get a pass on this one. He was warned by a bunch of senior military that this would be the result. He chose to ignore it.

It was pretty clear to almost everyone that Iraq would implode when the US left. Even Cheney knew it back in '94. Failure was likely even before the invasion, and the botched occupation guaranteed it. Not to mention Bush agreed to the withdrawal of all combat forces by the end of 2011 - that pesky SOFA you keep forgetting about.

So what was the alternative ... to stay for 1 more year, 5 more years, 10 more years? During the 8 years we were in Iraq, 4491 US troops were killed. How many more US soldiers did you want to die for country that would not fight for itself or saw the US as the enemy. Please give us the number of dead US soldier that you would find acceptable. One thousand more, five thousand more? Please give me a number so we all know your level of commitment to a failed policy. And what if one of those deaths were you, your son, your daughter, your good friend, your neighbor - not a problem, right - just keep 'em coming?

[grimmie 186]

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/neocon-recipe-iraq-how-completely-ruin-country-13-years

[airdvr 210]

So I guess what you're both saying is Barry is an asshole for putting troops back into Iraq. Got it.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,107]

>So I guess what you're both saying is Barry is an asshole for putting troops
>back into Iraq. Got it.

And you'd call him an asshole if he didn't. Got it.

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>So I guess what you're both saying is Barry is an asshole for putting troops
>back into Iraq. Got it.

And you'd call him an asshole if he didn't. Got it.

See if you can follow along Bill. I'm calling him an asshole for not heeding the advice of his military advisers. Of course he's an asshole for having to put troops back in when all he was interested in was his political image.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,107]

>See if you can follow along Bill. I'm calling him an asshole for not heeding the
>advice of his military advisers.

And I'm saying you would call him an asshole for heeding the advice of his military advisers. You'd call him an asshole if he refused to negotiate with ISIS; you'd call him an asshole if he negotiated with ISIS. You'd call him an asshole if he sent troops in. You'd call him an asshole if he didn't. You'd call him an asshole if he went to great lengths to prevent attacks like Benghazi. You'd call him an asshole if he didn't.

See if you can find the common thread.

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>See if you can follow along Bill. I'm calling him an asshole for not heeding the
>advice of his military advisers.

And I'm saying you would call him an asshole for heeding the advice of his military advisers. You'd call him an asshole if he refused to negotiate with ISIS; you'd call him an asshole if he negotiated with ISIS. You'd call him an asshole if he sent troops in. You'd call him an asshole if he didn't. You'd call him an asshole if he went to great lengths to prevent attacks like Benghazi. You'd call him an asshole if he didn't.

See if you can find the common thread.

You think I can't make up my mind when someone is an asshole? Not so. People only do one thing or the other. You can't do both. I guess I'm just amazed that an intelligent man like you can't see what a dumbfuck move it was to retreat out of Iraq when he was warned by people who know far more than he does about military operations. Yes...we broke it under W but that doesn't excuse Barry's ego. He's in charge, he owns it.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,107]

>You think I can't make up my mind when someone is an asshole?

Not at all. You made up your mind years ago that Obama is an asshole, and no number of events, facts or experiences will ever change your mind.

[jakee 1,593]

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I guess I'm just amazed that an intelligent man like you can't see what a dumbfuck move it was to retreat out of Iraq when he was warned by people who know far more than he does about military operations.

Right... so it was a dumbfuck move to retreat from Iraq under Bush's pre-established timeline, but it wasn't a dumbfuck move for Bush to create that timeline?

And on that note, how unbelievably moronic was it for Bush to believe that after invading Iraq there would be no insurgency to deal with at all?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?