kallend 2,175 #1 February 21, 2015 Within hours of the announcement by an unnamed U.S. military official that plans were underway to retake the key Iraqi city of Mosul from ISIS, the criticism began. "That is pretty amazing that that information's out there," retired Gen. Jack Keane, former Army vice chief of staff and a Fox News military analyst, said Friday. Top Republican senators also demanded answers, saying the disclosure has put the mission at risk. "Never in our memory can we recall an instance in which our military has knowingly briefed our own war plans to our enemies," Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a letter to President Obama. They must have short memories or acute ODS. U.S. Marines publically declared their intentions months in advance to retake the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004. The announcement allowed insurgents to "escape" and prepare for one of the deadliest operations of the Iraq War. In weeks leading up to the American and Afghan invasion of the Taliban stronghold of Marjah in 2010, coalition commanders all but announced the time and date of the invasion. "It's no secret we're going there,” Marine Gen. Larry Nicholson told Reuters two months before the assault began. “There's an inevitability that there's a date with destiny with Marjah and we're moving toward that." Leaflets were dropped by helicopter all over the remote Afghan city warning civilians and insurgents that an offensive was coming, while Afghan and ISAF officials were quoted in Western newspapers and on Afghan TV and radio saying an operation involving thousands of U.S., British and Afghan troops was imminent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #2 February 21, 2015 U.S. forces left Mosul too early. The Iraq forces were not prepared to maintain the city, and it was forecasted before they left the city would return back to its 2005-2006 level of unrest. Sad that so many lived were lost for nothing. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #3 February 21, 2015 AnvilbrotherU.S. forces left Mosul too early. The Iraq forces were not prepared to maintain the city, and it was forecasted before they left the city would return back to its 2005-2006 level of unrest. Sad that so many lived were lost for nothing. How is that relevant to the GOP's amnesia/ODS?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #4 February 21, 2015 If we would have stayed and taken care of business this most recent "anonymous" leak of op plans would not have slipped and your post would not even exist. So because marines laid out plans for that offensive all plans need to be out in the open? Should we have laid out the plan to capture bin laden on Wikipedia then? Or are you saying they should be all secret? Do you actually think all plans have to be out in the open or secret and there is no possible reason to do one or the other? There are times to make it open to the public for their imput, and times to let the civilians in an area know so the can seek refuge. There are also times when there needs to be opsec, and if so people should learn to STFU. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #5 February 21, 2015 AnvilbrotherIf we would have stayed and taken care of business this most recent "anonymous" leak of op plans would not have slipped and your post would not even exist. So because marines laid out plans for that offensive all plans need to be out in the open? Should we have laid out the plan to capture bin laden on Wikipedia then? Or are you saying they should be all secret? Do you actually think all plans have to be out in the open or secret and there is no possible reason to do one or the other? There are times to make it open to the public for their imput, and times to let the civilians in an area know so the can seek refuge. There are also times when there needs to be opsec, and if so people should learn to STFU. I don't make military strategy. I am not saying anything except that the GOP senators who made the statement in the OP** which is demonstrably UNTRUE are either suffering extreme ODS or selective amnesia. ** "Never in our memory can we recall an instance in which our military has knowingly briefed our own war plans to our enemies," Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a letter to President Obama.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #6 February 21, 2015 Gotcha I did not catch the part where they said they never recalled that happening before. This time did the release really specific details, or a general we are coming to get you like the marines might have done is what they ment? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #7 February 21, 2015 kallend ***If we would have stayed and taken care of business this most recent "anonymous" leak of op plans would not have slipped and your post would not even exist. So because marines laid out plans for that offensive all plans need to be out in the open? Should we have laid out the plan to capture bin laden on Wikipedia then? Or are you saying they should be all secret? Do you actually think all plans have to be out in the open or secret and there is no possible reason to do one or the other? There are times to make it open to the public for their imput, and times to let the civilians in an area know so the can seek refuge. There are also times when there needs to be opsec, and if so people should learn to STFU. I don't make military strategy. I am not saying anything except that the GOP senators who made the statement in the OP** which is demonstrably UNTRUE are either suffering extreme ODS or selective amnesia. ** "Never in our memory can we recall an instance in which our military has knowingly briefed our own war plans to our enemies," Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a letter to President Obama. Way to concentrate on this and not the part that is going to get a lot of American's killed... ...How predictably.... liberal... of you ..."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #8 February 21, 2015 Finally had time to really look a some links on this, and it is unprecedented from what I could find. When the marines telegraphed their hand they just said they were coming in days not weeks. This official release of plans from CENTCOM told of number of troops, who they were, the brigades, when, and even the direction they were attacking from. Please find where any past battle plans have been officially released by the govmt. in this level of detail Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #9 February 21, 2015 AnvilbrotherFinally had time to really look a some links on this, and it is unprecedented from what I could find. When the marines telegraphed their hand they just said they were coming in days not weeks. This official release of plans from CENTCOM told of number of troops, who they were, the brigades, when, and even the direction they were attacking from. Please find where any past battle plans have been officially released by the govmt. in this level of detail Oh, well, that nitpick makes ALL the difference --- NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #10 February 22, 2015 There will be a warrant roundup this week in the northern part of the county. There will be a warrant roundup consisting of 10 sheriff starting Wednesday in the Green acres subdivision, we will be stopping all cars entering from the north entrance to the sibdivision. If you can't see the difference in these two situations which are identical in terms of information exposed as to the ones you are comparing in your arguement well I don't know what to tell you. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #11 February 22, 2015 kallendWithin hours of the announcement by an unnamed U.S. military official that plans were underway to retake the key Iraqi city of Mosul from ISIS, the criticism began. "That is pretty amazing that that information's out there," retired Gen. Jack Keane, former Army vice chief of staff and a Fox News military analyst, said Friday. Top Republican senators also demanded answers, saying the disclosure has put the mission at risk. "Never in our memory can we recall an instance in which our military has knowingly briefed our own war plans to our enemies," Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a letter to President Obama. ... "I shall return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #12 February 22, 2015 kallendOh, well, that nitpick makes ALL the difference --- NOT. Oh! Sorry, you forgot to use the term "ODS" in this post. You only made it three posts straight. Not a great showing. I feel like the term "ODS" is kinda billvon's thing. You and a few others try to get too much mileage out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
