Anvilbrother 0 #126 February 24, 2015 Not to mention the married doctor. How many lashes or hail Mary's must one give themselves for looking at the privates of another persons spouse in the ER? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #127 February 24, 2015 Channman***>The baby has not sinned Google "original sin." Yea, Yea, Yea...been down this road many times. I'll leave but on example, not that it will provide any answers to un-believer. Ezekiel 18:20, yep it's from the old testament just incase you didn't know>"Life Application Study Bible, New International Version" (20) The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him. Which is a textbook example, in this case it happens to be a Christian one, of the hypocrisy of organized religious doctrine: authority can be found to spin-up any set of facts to either praise it or condemn it, prove it or refute it, all depending on whose ox is getting gored. In this case: yes! a child is born into original sin... mmm... unless not. Fuck that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #128 February 24, 2015 > then I'll rebut it. Not necessary...if we were ever to meet, we might just have some Bar-B-Que and discuss other matters such as, "the weather". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #129 February 24, 2015 Now that's something we can agree on! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hjeada 0 #130 February 24, 2015 Anvilbrother Not to mention the married doctor. How many lashes or hail Mary's must one give themselves for looking at the privates of another persons spouse in the ER? None. Dudeist Skydiver #0511 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #131 February 24, 2015 Hjeada ***Not to mention the married doctor. How many lashes or hail Mary's must one give themselves for looking at the privates of another persons spouse in the ER? None. She should be stoned for letting him see.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #132 February 24, 2015 >Bill, where we not talking about a Baby? ""Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity" - he was born, as a baby, in sin. >We need to stay on the subject of the child not the adult who has sinned Christian doctrine generally talks about the concept of "original sin" - the idea that everyone is born into sin due to Adam's rebellion against God. You can disagree (that's fine) but that's where the concept comes from - and why many Christians therefore see unbaptized babies living in a state of sin. From the Roman Catholic catechism: "By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all humans. Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin". " Lutheranism: "It is also taught among us that since the fall of Adam all men who are born according to the course of nature are conceived and born in sin." John Calvin: "Original sin, therefore, seems to be a hereditary depravity and corruption of our nature, diffused into all parts of the soul, which first makes us liable to God's wrath, then also brings forth in us those works which Scripture calls "works of the flesh" (Gal 5:19). And that is properly what Paul often calls sin." That means that, to some, unbaptized babies exist in a sort of limbo. Early Roman Catholic scholars called this "limbus infantium" - the limbo of infants. Not freed from original sin by baptism, or condemned through unforgiven sins of their own, they exist in limbo, a place neither all that good or all that bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #133 February 24, 2015 > "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity" Psalm 51:5 the text from Life Application Bible "New International Version" "(5) Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." In this Vs King David is pleading for mercy, forgiveness and cleansing. David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and commanded her husband (Uriah the Hittite) to be on the front lines of a battle that he knew he would not survive i.e. committed murder to cover up his sin. The details are a bit to long to discuss here, but can be found in 2 Samuel 12. The Prophet Nathan meets with David and hands down his punishment...part of the punishment was God taking his son born of Bathsheba. David spends a great deal of time 7 days I believe asking for God forgiveness as mentioned in your post referenced above. Now the issue is whether God has no mercy and subjected the infant boy to Hell or receive the child back into his arms as he is the giver of life. 2 Samuel 12:18-23 "On the seventh day the child died.... Vs 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him but he will not return to me. Here is a glimpse that David knew that one day he would be reunited with his son i.e. in Heaven. To the rest of your post I found the information you provided very interesting and I'm still reading through much of it among others to try and capture your viewpoint. In closing for now Matthew 19:14, Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." An infant, is born into sin...but is far to young to commit a sin requiring them to seek forgiveness, or as it is known (age of accountability). Sorry for all the editing, copied the quote below but can't recall where I found it. "....God’s applying Christ’s death to those who cannot believe would seem consistent with His love and mercy. It is our position that God applies Christ’s payment for sin to babies and those who are mentally handicapped, since they are not mentally capable of understanding their sinful state...." Quite possible I've just opened a whole can of worms...but your post has been engaging, requiring me to dig deep...I mean to reach high. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #134 February 25, 2015 IMO, the original sin was not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That act was only the catalyst. The original sin is that Adam and Eve became self conscious. They broke their connection with God. They made clothes for themselves. Up to that point they did not realize that they were naked.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #135 February 25, 2015 But, back to the point. BHO does not want to see more Americans find jobs, he vetoed the pipeline. No love for America in that decision. Tomorrow he will seize control of the Internet. It is not about freedom to choose. It is about power and control. And, of course more taxes.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #136 February 25, 2015 QuoteIMO, the original sin was not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That act was only the catalyst. The original sin is that Adam and Eve became self conscious. They broke their connection with God. They made clothes for themselves. Up to that point they did not realize that they were naked. OK but, serious question, do you think the story of Adam and Eve is literally true?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #137 February 25, 2015 it works for me.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #138 February 25, 2015 RonD1120it works for me. So Adam and Eve were single celled organisms?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #139 February 25, 2015 RonD1120it works for me. Do you think it is literall true? Adam and Eve were real people, The serpent and the apple were true events, not allegorical?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #140 February 25, 2015 RonD1120 Tomorrow he will seize control of the Internet. Ah. Another one who has zero idea what net neutrality means. I suggest you stick to bible classes.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #141 February 25, 2015 RonD1120 Tomorrow he will seize control of the Internet. You really think the NSA will let Obama have it?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #142 February 25, 2015 ryoder ***Tomorrow he will seize control of the Internet. You really think the NSA will let Obama have it?1st of all, who says he doesn't have control now? Second, all he has to do is ask algore for his universal key since he invented it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #143 February 26, 2015 RonD1120But, back to the point. BHO does not want to see more Americans find jobs, he vetoed the pipeline. No love for America in that decision. Tomorrow he will seize control of the Internet. It is not about freedom to choose. It is about power and control. And, of course more taxes. It's now tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #144 February 26, 2015 Stand by http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/26/locked-and-loaded-fcc-primed-for-vote-on-internet-regs-amid-11th-hour-drama/ 1. Shared service mediocrity on the Internet 2. Increased consumer cost for Internet use 3. Internet taxes 4. Users may be charged with hate crimes when expressing First Amendment Rights on the Internet. 5. Provider exemptions may be purchased creating political party obligation. 6. Another nail in the Fourth Amendment coffin 7. A financial boon to attorneys, same with ObamacareLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #145 February 26, 2015 RonD1120Stand by http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/26/locked-and-loaded-fcc-primed-for-vote-on-internet-regs-amid-11th-hour-drama/ 1. Shared service mediocrity on the Internet 2. Increased consumer cost for Internet use 3. Internet taxes 4. Users may be charged with hate crimes when expressing First Amendment Rights on the Internet. 5. Provider exemptions may be purchased creating political party obligation. 6. Another nail in the Fourth Amendment coffin 7. A financial boon to attorneys, same with Obamacare I always find it amusing, when people claim that the very medium their using is, or soon will be used, to quell all oppisition. How soon before they use the term "Obama Net"? I know there was a thread about 2-3 years ago on this subject, I seem to recall it was a non-partisan issue back then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #146 February 26, 2015 jclalor***Stand by http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/26/locked-and-loaded-fcc-primed-for-vote-on-internet-regs-amid-11th-hour-drama/ 1. Shared service mediocrity on the Internet 2. Increased consumer cost for Internet use 3. Internet taxes 4. Users may be charged with hate crimes when expressing First Amendment Rights on the Internet. 5. Provider exemptions may be purchased creating political party obligation. 6. Another nail in the Fourth Amendment coffin 7. A financial boon to attorneys, same with Obamacare I always find it amusing, when people claim that the very medium their using is, or soon will be used, to quell all oppisition. How soon before they use the term "Obama Net"?you are a week behind on this one I know there was a thread about 2-3 years ago on this subject, I seem to recall it was a non-partisan issue back then."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #147 February 27, 2015 And another respected American military man speaks out on Islam. I just cannot understand why anyone chooses to defend BHO and his administration. Hating America is the only logical conclusion. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc0_1423721020Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymiles 3 #148 February 27, 2015 RonD1120And another respected American military man speaks out on Islam. I just cannot understand why anyone chooses to defend BHO and his administration. Hating America is the only logical conclusion. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc0_1423721020 As we have seen in your many posts, logic plays absolutely no role in your world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #149 February 27, 2015 RonD1120And another respected American military man speaks out on Islam. I just cannot understand why anyone chooses to defend BHO and his administration. Hating America is the only logical conclusion. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc0_1423721020 James Lyons, respected? By whom? He might have been a capable military commander, but he's a prototypical Democrat-despising fascist pig who pops his mouth off to the lunatic right wing fringe, sees homos and terrorists under every bed, and accuses everyone who isn't a conservative of being an America-hater. Sound familiar? A generation or two ago he'd have been a Curtis LeMay-style John Bircher who saw communists under every bed. Fuck James Lyons and his opinons. Ike warned us about people like him; he's the problem, not the solution. I can see why you'd admire him. Ahh. OK, your turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #150 February 27, 2015 QuoteJames Lyons, respected? By whom? Ron's Elk is a big fan.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
