More Religion-Inspired Hate and Violence

[masterblaster72 0]

First this

Then this

...and now this

I have a colleague at work who said after the Charlie Hebdo incident that the "only solution is to hug a Muslim." I like his kind-hearted intentions but I think he's in the minority. As long as these incidents continue, Europe will become less tolerant of its guests from the east. Not a sustainable a sustainable situation in the long term and doesn't bode well for the future.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[DanG 1]

Whch is exactly what the terrorists want.

- Dan G

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

DanG

Whch is exactly what the terrorists want.

I don't think that they have that sort of "long term" goal.

Not a "lets get out of hand, so that the government clamps down on our people so that we can provoke a real revolt" sort of plan.

They are simply thugs who can't abide anyone "dissing" their prophet.
So they, like any thug, try to intimidate people into compliance. And when the intimidation doesn't work, they lash out violently.

The Ayatollah's death threat against Salman Rushdie is exactly the same sort of thug tactic. Scare people into silence.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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wolfriverjoe

***Whch is exactly what the terrorists want.

I don't think that they have that sort of "long term" goal.

Not a "lets get out of hand, so that the government clamps down on our people so that we can provoke a real revolt" sort of plan.

They are simply thugs who can't abide anyone "dissing" their prophet.
So they, like any thug, try to intimidate people into compliance. And when the intimidation doesn't work, they lash out violently.

The Ayatollah's death threat against Salman Rushdie is exactly the same sort of thug tactic. Scare people into silence.

Thankfully less and less people are willing to be silent. Eventually Islam will learn to not take itself so seriously or just start ignoring it.

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with isis, it goes a little deeper than that. http://www.clarionproject.org/sites/default/files/islamic-state-isis-isil-factsheet-1.pdf

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

wolfriverjoe

***Whch is exactly what the terrorists want.

I don't think that they have that sort of "long term" goal.

Not a "lets get out of hand, so that the government clamps down on our people so that we can provoke a real revolt" sort of plan.

They are simply thugs who can't abide anyone "dissing" their prophet.
So they, like any thug, try to intimidate people into compliance. And when the intimidation doesn't work, they lash out violently.

The Ayatollah's death threat against Salman Rushdie is exactly the same sort of thug tactic. Scare people into silence.

Part of effectively dealing with situations is not having this air of superiority. You are bound to make some massive mistakes if you think all these people are just stupid.

[Andy9o8 2]

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The Ayatollah's death threat against Salman Rushdie is exactly the same sort of thug tactic. Scare people into silence.

I agree it was a thug tactic by Ayatollah Khomeini to scare people into silence.
BUT.
Here's the back-story that those who both haven't read The Satanic Verses (I have) or know the history of Khomeini (I watched it on the news at the time) don't realize: Khomeini's fatwa had nothing to do with Islam, at least its actual reason doesn't. You see, in The Satanic Verses, not only does Rushdie insult Mohammed (which he does, by portraying him as corrupt and decadent), he also insults Khomeni, by portraying him, too, as a greedy, corrupt and blasphemously self-serving character in the book.

So next time you hear someone refer to Khomeni's fatwa as being because Rushdie insulted Mohammed or Islam, correct them: the fatwa was actually Khomeni's way of personally "reaching out and touching" Rushdie in retaliation for daring to publicly speak aloud that the corrupt Emperor (Khomeni) had no clothes. It had nothing to do with Islam - it was personal. The insult to Mohammed was just the cover.

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SkyDekker

******Whch is exactly what the terrorists want.

I don't think that they have that sort of "long term" goal.

Not a "lets get out of hand, so that the government clamps down on our people so that we can provoke a real revolt" sort of plan.

They are simply thugs who can't abide anyone "dissing" their prophet.
So they, like any thug, try to intimidate people into compliance. And when the intimidation doesn't work, they lash out violently.

The Ayatollah's death threat against Salman Rushdie is exactly the same sort of thug tactic. Scare people into silence.

Part of effectively dealing with situations is not having this air of superiority. You are bound to make some massive mistakes if you think all these people are just stupid. They are far from stupid. Ignoring the fact that they are TRUE believers in what their religion tells them and ignoring what their religion actually TELLS them to do is our most ignorant mistake. They truly believe what they are doing is what their religion tells them to do. You don't blow yourself up or kill children because you kinda sorta believe.
This isn't the first time in history they have risen to this level. Why there were the crusades. I am totally and completely amazed how ignorant and arrogant humans are to ignore history.

Nothing we are or have or do is any different then those that came before and we will be destroyed just as they were for the same reasons. Just amazing we cannot learn from our past.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

SkyDekker

Part of effectively dealing with situations is not having this air of superiority. You are bound to make some massive mistakes if you think all these people are just stupid.

I didn't say they were "just stupid."

I said they were thugs.

So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

And thanks, Andy for the clarification on the Fatwa on Rushdie. I wan't aware of the direct insult of Khomeni.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

[BillyVance 35]

SkyDekker

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

THey've had quite a few years to quietly build up and get organized. Cleaning out the bank in Mosul of millions of dollars really got their bankroll going.

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SkyDekker

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

Funny thing, that, when Clinton and Obama had the chance to quell their influence. Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[kallend 2,148]

turtlespeed

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

Funny thing, that, when Clinton and Obama had the chance to quell their influence. Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

You forgot the guy who came before Obama, who managed to destroy any semblance of stability in the region, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the region, all for the same of his neo-con friends.

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kallend

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

Funny thing, that, when Clinton and Obama had the chance to quell their influence. Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

You forgot the guy who came before Obama, who managed to destroy any semblance of stability in the region, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the region, all for the same of his neo-con friends.

You mean the Russians, or the Turks?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

Funny thing, that, when Clinton and Obama had the chance to quell their influence. Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

You forgot the guy who came before Obama, who managed to destroy any semblance of stability in the region, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the region, all for the same of his neo-con friends.

You mean the Russians, or the Turks?

no, I'm pretty sure he meant Carter

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rehmwa

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So far, these thugs don't seem to be part of any organized group. They are just "radicals" who decide that people who insult Islam need to be killed.

ISIL is pretty organized. Not sure why you wouldn think it isn't.

Funny thing, that, when Clinton and Obama had the chance to quell their influence. Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

You forgot the guy who came before Obama, who managed to destroy any semblance of stability in the region, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the region, all for the same of his neo-con friends.

You mean the Russians, or the Turks?

no, I'm pretty sure he meant Carter

Yes, yes, he did say "guy" didn't he?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

lol, yeah that little incident is exactly what gave rise to ISIL.

Sounds like something some right wing idiot radio show host would say. Maybe you guys should pay for 10 or so congressional investigations into that lmao.

[masterblaster72 0]

SkyDekker

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Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

lol, yeah that little incident is exactly what gave rise to ISIL.

Sounds like something some right wing idiot radio show host would say. Maybe you guys should pay for 10 or so congressional investigations into that lmao.

"Clinton...Obama...Benghazi..."

It also sounds like something that a "low information" listener of such a right-wing talk show would parrot.

Funny to think the region was better off with Saddam in power before the dimwitted Texan went all cowboy on the place. Hindsight sure is 20/20...

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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SkyDekker

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Influence that was only really gained, to what is established now, after Benghazi and the inaction of the U.S. government.

lol, yeah that little incident is exactly what gave rise to ISIL.

Sounds like something some right wing idiot radio show host would say. Maybe you guys should pay for 10 or so congressional investigations into that lmao.

Do you understand the difference between causality and enabling? Your comment above lends to the observation that you don't.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

So you think that it is worth mentioning that Obama and Clinton enabled the rise of ISIL. However, are silent on Bush's role in enabling the rise of ISIL.

This is a pretty strong indicator you believe Clinton and Obama are more to blame for this enabling, than Bush Jr. who decided to invade and destabalize the whole region.

Which leads to a healthy outpooring of lol and lmao and images of being glued to a radio with some right wing idiot talkshow host blabbing away.

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SkyDekker

So you think that it is worth mentioning that Obama and Clinton enabled the rise of ISIL. However, are silent on Bush's role in enabling the rise of ISIL.

This is a pretty strong indicator you believe Clinton and Obama are more to blame for this enabling, than Bush Jr. who decided to invade and destabalize the whole region.

Which leads to a healthy outpooring of lol and lmao and images of being glued to a radio with some right wing idiot talkshow host blabbing away.

Yes, yes, bush is bad, and Obama & Hillary saints, we get your view. I notice you won't even acknowledge that isil didn't exist until just before Benghazi. Inaction, unwillingness to admit Islamic terrorism, and inaction has let them grow. Blaming bush is like saying that it's carters fault that Iran took hostages.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Yes, yes, bush is bad, and Obama & Hillary saints, we get your view.

Yes, that is exactly what I said!

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I notice you won't even acknowledge that isil didn't exist until just before Benghazi.

lol, is that what you heard on the radio? ISIL under that naming was formed in April 2013. Islamic State of Iraq formed somewhere in 2006. The foundation for these groups goes back to 1999.

Clearly when you look at those dates September 2012 stands out.

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Inaction, unwillingness to admit Islamic terrorism, and inaction has let them grow. Blaming bush is like saying that it's carters fault that Iran took hostages.

Yes, exactly the same! I think I heard that on the radio too.

[airdvr 210]

I always get a good chuckle when someone says that the Iraqi's were better off under Saddam. Iraq was more stable and easier to deal with but the people...

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... for those of us who lived under the tyranny of Saddam Hussein and understand what tyranny means, ... the difficulties of today, the pains of today, and the disappointments of today -- and they are very profound, because Iraqis deserve better -- these pale in comparison to what we had to endure. ... Then, people had the certainty of the knock on the door late at night, and could possibly end up in a mass grave. Two weeks ago, in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, a new mass grave in which there were some five-six people who were shot. Their families never heard from them since 1988. They were found and they could only be identified by the pajamas they were wearing as they were taken from home. These are the type of stories that my people, my community, had to endure.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/10-years-after-the-fall-of-saddam-how-do-iraqis-look-back-on-the-war/277362/

If you would like to place blaim how about the UN Security council that stopped Schwarzkopf from finishing the job in '91. Hard to believe that was 24 years ago.

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airdvr

I always get a good chuckle when someone says that the Iraqi's were better off under Saddam. Iraq was more stable and easier to deal with but the people...

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... for those of us who lived under the tyranny of Saddam Hussein and understand what tyranny means, ... the difficulties of today, the pains of today, and the disappointments of today -- and they are very profound, because Iraqis deserve better -- these pale in comparison to what we had to endure. ... Then, people had the certainty of the knock on the door late at night, and could possibly end up in a mass grave. Two weeks ago, in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, a new mass grave in which there were some five-six people who were shot. Their families never heard from them since 1988. They were found and they could only be identified by the pajamas they were wearing as they were taken from home. These are the type of stories that my people, my community, had to endure.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/10-years-after-the-fall-of-saddam-how-do-iraqis-look-back-on-the-war/277362/

If you would like to place blaim how about the UN Security council that stopped Schwarzkopf from finishing the job in '91. Hard to believe that was 24 years ago.

I don't think anybody is claiming the Kurds were better off under Saddam.