What is science?

[lawrocket 3]

>>> The glacier speeds up, stretches out and thins

Okay. So do we have measurements of the thinning? This is what j mentioned in the first possibility. The radar imaging should be able to demonstrate this.

Rather than suggest that this is the possible effect or concept, is there anything showing that this stretching or thinning is actually occurring?

I am getting weary of proposed mechanisms and effects. If the scientists are proposing that the glaciers are spaghettifying then it should be a fairly simple thing to start getting observations of it (despite its common use, I thought spaghettification to be an appropriate word)

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,107]

>1. What the hell is a "World's Best Ocean Scientist"?

American Idol (Science Edition)

[billvon 3,107]

>Okay. So do we have measurements of the thinning?

We have estimates based on the increased speed - but no measurements, since it merges with the sea ice.

>Rather than suggest that this is the possible effect or concept, is there
>anything showing that this stretching or thinning is actually occurring?

Yes - measured glacier speeds are increasing.

[lawrocket 3]

billvon

>Okay. So do we have measurements of the thinning?

We have estimates based on the increased speed - but no measurements, since it merges with the sea ice.

>Rather than suggest that this is the possible effect or concept, is there
>anything showing that this stretching or thinning is actually occurring?

Yes - measured glacier speeds are increasing.

I'll clarify. Are the glacier speeds increasing along the length of the glaciers? Or at the terminus?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,107]

>I'll clarify. Are the glacier speeds increasing along the length of the glaciers? Or
>at the terminus?

From the studies I have seen, they are increasing speed along their length, although the greatest increases in speed come near the grounding line, and the least at their origins.

[kallend 2,146]

GeorgiaDon

***http://www.c3headlines.com/2012/01/worlds-best-ocean-scientists-confirm-skeptics-correct-ocean-acidifcation-hysteria-is-unwarranted.html

1. What the hell is a "World's Best Ocean Scientist"? Who decides this? What factors are used in measuring or calculating "world's best"? It's not like "world's fastest" where you can run a race and actually see who wins.

On the other hand, maybe "world's best" means "I found a guy who agrees with me".



Well, there's this guy who runs the "World's Best HotDogs" stand in Chicago, so I guess it's a friend or family member of his.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

******You have also stated that the oceans acitifying was of a major concern of yours and that has now been shown not to be happening

Link please.

Here is one to be getting on with: www.arctic-council.org/index.php/en/resources/news-and-press/news-archive/872-amap-releases-arctic-ocean-acidification-overview-report

In a previous post
(and to follow your so humble lead) search for it yourself

Well, I searched for "acitifying" in posts authored by you and found NONE except today's. Are you Through the Looking Glass again?

Proof.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********You have also stated that the oceans acitifying was of a major concern of yours and that has now been shown not to be happening

Link please.

Here is one to be getting on with: www.arctic-council.org/index.php/en/resources/news-and-press/news-archive/872-amap-releases-arctic-ocean-acidification-overview-report

In a previous post
(and to follow your so humble lead) search for it yourself

Well, I searched for "acitifying" in posts authored by you and found NONE except today's. Are you Through the Looking Glass again?

Proof.
Sucks to be you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,146]

rushmc

************You have also stated that the oceans acitifying was of a major concern of yours and that has now been shown not to be happening

Link please.

Here is one to be getting on with: www.arctic-council.org/index.php/en/resources/news-and-press/news-archive/872-amap-releases-arctic-ocean-acidification-overview-report

In a previous post
(and to follow your so humble lead) search for it yourself

Well, I searched for "acitifying" in posts authored by you and found NONE except today's. Are you Through the Looking Glass again?

Proof.
Sucks to be you

Hey, at least posts I claim to have made can be found using the search function.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

Hey, at least posts I claim to have made can be found using the search function.

That's true Professor, but you also spell correctly and consistently.

That isn't true for everyone.

Searching for "acitifying" generates some interesting results.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***************You have also stated that the oceans acitifying was of a major concern of yours and that has now been shown not to be happening

Link please.

Here is one to be getting on with: www.arctic-council.org/index.php/en/resources/news-and-press/news-archive/872-amap-releases-arctic-ocean-acidification-overview-report

In a previous post
(and to follow your so humble lead) search for it yourself

Well, I searched for "acitifying" in posts authored by you and found NONE except today's. Are you Through the Looking Glass again?

Proof.
Sucks to be you

Hey, at least posts I claim to have made can be found using the search function.

Here is my third post on the subject
Now
Do you believe 80 years of data?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/31/ocean-ph-accuracy-arguments-challenged-with-80-years-of-instrumental-data/

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Members of the global science and lay communities have begun to learn of the confirmed omission of 80 years of instrumental data from contemporary ocean acidification (OA) scientific products. The missing ~2 million data points comprise a majority of the world’s historical ocean pH measurements. The data was replaced without disclosure, by a model hind cast. The substituted history, known as the FEEL2899 report (1) was itself used as the technical basis for testimony to the US Congress (2). In turn, OA mitigation research funding was augmented, and the regulation of anthropogenic greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions was strengthened and deepened.

This occurrence of a model-replacing-data-without-disclosure has few publicized precedents of this scale. Already some in media have chosen to headline this as a case of “pHraud” (3). Whatever it is called, a fundamental question remains whether or not this omission will ever be corrected. Currently the major obstacle to rapid correction appears to be a consensus among those in power, that ocean pH cannot (and could never) be instrumentally measured using any conceivable means for any conceivable ocean purpose by any conceivable scientist. Therefore those in power effectively assert that the world must put aside expectations of data accessibility and transparency, and accept the PMEL authors’ formerly undisclosed SeaCarb model hindcast replacement as the entire truth of past ocean pH.

I came into awareness of the ocean pH data omission myself, purely through research activities, which led to personal communications with the authors of the omission (4). I learned through two of those authors some facts concerning the origins, pervasiveness, and structure of the omissions.

Of course ignoring or changing data is normal operation procedure for alarmists

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

From the link

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The ocean pH data omission was an unprecedented and disturbing incident in the history of hydrological sciences. Only NOAA can likely correct this. That’s because NOAA contains the source of the problem (the FEEL2899 pH time series product) as well as its solution (the WOD database). To help resolve that paralyzing disorder, scientists and others may wish to consider signing a petition that I have authored at (11). It may seem overly prescriptive, but in some ways it merely asks that the ocean pH data omissions be corrected by NOAA, and that GOpH measurements follow the OA authorities’ own published guidelines.

bolding is mine

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln