rushmc 23 #1 February 5, 2015 More lies? Is anyone really surprised? Some of here are not as we have been saying the unemployment rate is really bs And, couple this with the other report showing that the Obama admin as allowed more illegals in than allowed by law, and those people filling all these so called new jobs, we really got a real mess But, this is by design now isnt it? Oh, and I posted the FOX link cause many of you like Fox so much but know that this story is on many othe sights http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/05/ceo-venerable-gallup-calls-jobless-rate-big-lie-put-forth-by-white-house-wall/ QuoteSince the start of the Great Recession, which economists largely agree began in late 2007, the unemployment rate peaked at 10 percent in October 2009 and finally got under 6 percent in September 2014. Clifton says Americans out of work for at least four weeks are “as unemployed as one can possibly be” and argues that as many as 30 million of them are now either out of work or severely underemployed. He points out that an out-of-work engineer, for example, performing a minimum of one hour of work a week, even mowing a lawn for $20, also is not officially counted as unemployed. In addition, those working part time but wanting full-time work -- the so-called “severely underemployed” -- also are not counted. And Gallop is not known as a a right wing polling outfit anymore either"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2 February 5, 2015 rushmcMore lies? Is anyone really surprised? Some of here are not as we have been saying the unemployment rate is really bs And, couple this with the other report showing that the Obama admin as allowed more illegals in than allowed by law, and those people filling all these so called new jobs, we really got a real mess But, this is by design now isnt it? Oh, and I posted the FOX link cause many of you like Fox so much but know that this story is on many othe sights http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/05/ceo-venerable-gallup-calls-jobless-rate-big-lie-put-forth-by-white-house-wall/ QuoteSince the start of the Great Recession, which economists largely agree began in late 2007, the unemployment rate peaked at 10 percent in October 2009 and finally got under 6 percent in September 2014. Clifton says Americans out of work for at least four weeks are “as unemployed as one can possibly be” and argues that as many as 30 million of them are now either out of work or severely underemployed. He points out that an out-of-work engineer, for example, performing a minimum of one hour of work a week, even mowing a lawn for $20, also is not officially counted as unemployed. In addition, those working part time but wanting full-time work -- the so-called “severely underemployed” -- also are not counted. And Gallop is not known as a a right wing polling outfit anymore either I don't disagree with him at all. It is not a fair representation of what the number is supposed to tell. But, did the calculation method change? To pin this on Obama you would have to show he requested changes to how this number is being calculated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 February 5, 2015 SkyDekker***More lies? Is anyone really surprised? Some of here are not as we have been saying the unemployment rate is really bs And, couple this with the other report showing that the Obama admin as allowed more illegals in than allowed by law, and those people filling all these so called new jobs, we really got a real mess But, this is by design now isnt it? Oh, and I posted the FOX link cause many of you like Fox so much but know that this story is on many othe sights http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/05/ceo-venerable-gallup-calls-jobless-rate-big-lie-put-forth-by-white-house-wall/ QuoteSince the start of the Great Recession, which economists largely agree began in late 2007, the unemployment rate peaked at 10 percent in October 2009 and finally got under 6 percent in September 2014. Clifton says Americans out of work for at least four weeks are “as unemployed as one can possibly be” and argues that as many as 30 million of them are now either out of work or severely underemployed. He points out that an out-of-work engineer, for example, performing a minimum of one hour of work a week, even mowing a lawn for $20, also is not officially counted as unemployed. In addition, those working part time but wanting full-time work -- the so-called “severely underemployed” -- also are not counted. And Gallop is not known as a a right wing polling outfit anymore either I don't disagree with him at all. It is not a fair representation of what the number is supposed to tell. But, did the calculation method change? To pin this on Obama you would have to show he requested changes to how this number is being calculated. There was a change made but I do not know when or what admin did it Regardless It is known to be untrue If you know it is untrue yet one continues to spew it, they are lieing dont you think?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 February 5, 2015 The number isn't untrue if that has been the method of calculating. It just isn't a fair, or best representation of what it is supposed to do. How this number is being calculated has never been a secret. If people just blindly believe the number, then it isn't a lie. The people are just stupid to believe what they are being spoon fed. The method of calculation is out there, for everybody to see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 February 5, 2015 http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/05/news/economy/welch-unemployment-rate/ QuoteThe unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in September, down from 8.1% a month earlier. The drop was due to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' survey of households showing that 873,000 more people had jobs than in the previous month. That was the biggest one-month gain in more than nine years. You don't think the results can and will be manipulated for political gain? Silly boy.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #6 February 5, 2015 Always has been, always will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 February 5, 2015 QuoteYou don't think the results can and will be manipulated for political gain? Silly boy. Yes that is exactly what I said. No wonder people just believe the numbers they see. Reading comprehension isn't very strong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 February 5, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteYou don't think the results can and will be manipulated for political gain? Silly boy. Yes that is exactly what I said. No wonder people just believe the numbers they see. Reading comprehension isn't very strong. it's one thing to question whether the numbers are relevant. Completely different as to whether they are being manipulated.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,486 #10 February 5, 2015 I'm not sure I understand the "issue." How unemployment has been calculated has never been any great secret. Even the BLS states, "So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed." http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 February 5, 2015 BIGUNI'm not sure I understand the "issue." The issue is that once again Rush just wants to blindly Obama-bash, once again his failure to put any real thought process into it has been called out, and now he'll just keep doing his thing as long as other people are willing to keep engaging him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 February 5, 2015 Andy9o8 ***I'm not sure I understand the "issue." The issue is that once again Rush just wants to blindly Obama-bash, once again his failure to put any real thought process into it has been called out, and now he'll just keep doing his thing as long as other people are willing to keep engaging him. Hell ya Sure I am a racists who hates this black president (you missed this one so I am helping you out) I have to keep engaging dumb asses on this site to clarify all of this Please keep up OH and of course for you and others like Skydecker ANYONE who disagrees with you are thoughtless mindless uneducated brainwashed fools Just to clarify"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 February 5, 2015 and add to all of this the fact that the CEO of gallop is just as mindless and has not thought things out guess he is being called out too huh......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 February 5, 2015 rushmc and add to all of this the fact that the CEO of gallop is just as mindless and has not thought things out guess he is being called out too huh....... So what was your point? The issue about the Unemployment number has long been understood by those who have looked up how it is calculated/derived. It has nothing to do with Obama lying. Right now the number is low, people who have above average reading comprehension understand why it is low. Those same people understand why Obama, Wall Street, and the media would be happy using that number. The CEO of Gallup is absolutely right. You using it as an Obama bash is what is idotic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 February 5, 2015 SkyDekker ***and add to all of this the fact that the CEO of gallop is just as mindless and has not thought things out guess he is being called out too huh....... So what was your point? The issue about the Unemployment number has long been understood by those who have looked up how it is calculated/derived. It has nothing to do with Obama lying.Uh, this is what the CEO of Gallop said Right now the number is low, people who have above average reading comprehension understand why it is low. Those same people understand why Obama, Wall Street, and the media would be happy using that number. The CEO of Gallup is absolutely right. You using it as an Obama bash is what is idotic."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #16 February 5, 2015 So you're plural and you just called us all dumb asses. Got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 February 5, 2015 QuoteIt has nothing to do with Obama lying.Uh, this is what the CEO of Gallop said No it isn't. He wrote on his blog that the number is a big lie. Which is true. That number was the same big lie under Bush x2, Clinton etc. Fox added the bit about Obama and the SOTU speach. Figuring people with reading comprehension problems would bite on the Obama bash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 February 5, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteIt has nothing to do with Obama lying.Uh, this is what the CEO of Gallop said No it isn't. He wrote on his blog that the number is a big lie. Which is true. That number was the same big lie under Bush x2, Clinton etc. Fox added the bit about Obama and the SOTU speach. Figuring people with reading comprehension problems would bite on the Obama bash. Fox must write for Gallop? http://www.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/181469/big-lie-unemployment.aspx?utm_source=WWWV7HP&utm_medium=topic&utm_campaign=tiles Quote The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment Here's something that many Americans -- including some of the smartest and most educated among us -- don't know: The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading. Right now, we're hearing much celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is "down" to 5.6%. The cheerleading for this number is deafening. The media loves a comeback story, the White House wants to score political points and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market. Really nuts how Fox stuck the "White House" in gallops sight"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #19 February 5, 2015 QuoteI am a racists who hates this black president (you missed this one so I am helping you out) People here always seem to "miss that one" Maybe its because "that one" is a figment of your imagination, and no one has every accused you of that in the first place. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 February 5, 2015 DanGQuoteI am a racists who hates this black president (you missed this one so I am helping you out) People here always seem to "miss that one" Maybe its because "that one" is a figment of your imagination, and no one has every accused you of that in the first place. I have been called racist on this sight and billvon loves to point out that he (as well as Andy) think I hate Obama So you are wrong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #21 February 5, 2015 Have you ever taken a step back and looked at yourself in a mirror? You are once again happy that America is doing worse than expected. Do you really want to be seen as someone who is anti-American-success? Is your hatred of Obama that strong that seeing Americans out of work makes you ecstatic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 February 5, 2015 billvonHave you ever taken a step back and looked at yourself in a mirror? You are once again happy that America is doing worse than expected. Do you really want to be seen as someone who is anti-American-success? Is your hatred of Obama that strong that seeing Americans out of work makes you ecstatic? wow this is a big twist even for you the root of a problem has to be identified to be fixed the obama head in the sand crowd dont care as long as Obama in is power Again you invoke an emotion to try and make some sort of point Well, that fails I dont hate Obama I dont know him But we all know him by what he has done you must like what he is doing I dont I love the fact that you try to say someone is anti american, just because they dont like the president the same as you do speaks volumes See Dan Once again I am said to hate Obama The way you look at my post is very twisted Bill Very twisted"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 February 5, 2015 rushmc *** Quote It has nothing to do with Obama lying.Uh, this is what the CEO of Gallop said No it isn't. He wrote on his blog that the number is a big lie. Which is true. That number was the same big lie under Bush x2, Clinton etc. Fox added the bit about Obama and the SOTU speach. Figuring people with reading comprehension problems would bite on the Obama bash. Fox must write for Gallop? http://www.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/181469/big-lie-unemployment.aspx?utm_source=WWWV7HP&utm_medium=topic&utm_campaign=tiles Quote The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment Here's something that many Americans -- including some of the smartest and most educated among us -- don't know: The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading. Right now, we're hearing much celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is "down" to 5.6%. The cheerleading for this number is deafening. The media loves a comeback story, the White House wants to score political points and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market. Really nuts how Fox stuck the "White House" in gallops sight So where did Gallup write about Obama and the SOTU as in the Fox piece? Gallop indicates that the White House is happily using the number to score political points. Which is true. Fox ties it to a part of the SOTU speach, accusing Obama of lieing about what the number means. Two different things. Gallop is right. Fox is trying to use it to bash Obama. Silly. I now get the sense you will never understand the distinction, so I am done trying to explain it to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 February 5, 2015 billvonHave you ever taken a step back and looked at yourself in a mirror? You are once again happy that America is doing worse than expected. Do you really want to be seen as someone who is anti-American-success? Is your hatred of Obama that strong that seeing Americans out of work makes you ecstatic? To answer a different point in your post I am disgusted that the policies pushed by this admin keep people dependant on the government Millions more on food stamps Average house hold income down Obamacare pushing people to part time work Breaking law by letting more imigrants in legally than allowed by law (Obama thumbs his nose at the law ) You see me as anti-american becasue I want people to have the oprotunity to do better? We can do better But not with the policies this president and the Dems push the last two elections show us the people are starting to see what is happening and they dont like it Good"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #25 February 5, 2015 QuoteHow this number is being calculated has never been a secret. If people just blindly believe the number, then it isn't a lie. The people are just stupid to believe what they are being spoon fed. The method of calculation is out there, for everybody to see. I totally agree with you. I think there is more than that, though. People don't want to look it up themselves. Once the see it, they don't want to go through the work of figuring it out themselves. A couple of weeks ago, there was an issue of deflating footballs and an excuse about temperature change. In all my searching about this I saw plenty of comments but nobody who actually did the math to show whether it was plausible. SO I did it myself and found it wasn't plausible and then had a couple of people way smarter than me check the math. We all want others to do the work. We see it everywhere. Rational doubt is always being criticized (some of us don't take spoonfed numbers on things and want to see what's going on). But rational doubt, to be rational, must have a rationale. And that means going under the surface and seeing what makes sense and doesn't. There's too must irrational doubt. Even if the irrational doubt proves correct, it isn't rational because even though valid reasons are there to doubt it, people are too lazy to find them and thus go off of subjective instinct. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites