ryoder 1,590 #26 January 10, 2015 This bozo even made today's episode of "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me". "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #27 January 12, 2015 Quotewhile the subpoena was over-the-top, it was also for publicly-available materials, and only those exhorting specific political action. I.e. That which doesn't belong in a tax-exempt church anyway. Sorry, but that's a losing argument, on all points, especially if it were to reach an appellate court level. 1. If they were publicly-available, there was no need to subpoena them, so the subpoena would be a form of official abuse of judicial process, and a pretext for unlawful governmental intimidation of clergy. 2. If they weren't publicly available, subpoenas to churches (mosques, synagogues, etc.) for private records are generally given very strict scrutiny, and courts generally only enforce them when, supported by a clear showing of probable cause, they're narrowly-tailored to lead to evidence of crimes (and/or actionable civil claims), such as sexual abuse, embezzlement, fraud, etc. 3. Courts are also, properly so, very loathe to scrutinize speech within churches, especially things such as sermons, for evidence of non- tax exempt purposes included in with all the tax-exempt purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #28 January 12, 2015 Oh, there's no doubt it was stupid Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 January 12, 2015 Quoteorganizationally so, not personally Fish tend to smell from the head down. It's more than a matter of what is technically a manager's responsibility. In this case, I find it a bit hard to believe that Heronner didn't at least give her ok to the tactic of the subpoenas before they were issued. Remember Nixon's "I take the responsibility, not the blame"? Well, he was to blame; and by the way, Dick, yes you were a crook, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
