Shooting in Paris

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and here? Within 10 posts, this intellectual sewer had turned a report of a terror attack in a foreign country into a discussion on American gun ownership rights...
It's pathetic.

There are some people who are in this forum (country) who seem to think gun ownership in America is pretty much the only topic; ever.

It's like the old saying about when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Sadly, those people will never understand how extremist they are and how it colors their entire view of the world.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

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Within 10 posts, this intellectual sewer had turned a report of a terror attack in a foreign country into a discussion on American gun ownership rights...
It's pathetic.

Its an American dominated forum discussing a dozen(?) people dead thousands of miles away, how hard are you expecting this to rock our base? The discussion went from shock and awe, to condolences, then to what if it would have happened here. I would imagine that to be that way everywhere. Its not like there was a France 9/11 that knocked down the eiffel tower as sad even one loss can be.

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[Boomerdog 0]

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Now, I know all the keyboard commandos on this site would have performed much better. But if you go by the data, armed presence didn't stopnnor affect the outcome of this attack.

Oh really? Well that's kinda why we have this forum as some sort of verbal free for all, venting,....whatever.

One of the blessings or curses (depending on your particular point of view) of the Internet is some degree of anonymity. Putting it another way, ya never really do know who you're talking to. There are some parts of everyone's life around here that will just stay private because we either don't wish to talk about it or just can't talk about for reasons...well let's just leave it at that.

Thus, the same level of ignorance would apply if those "keyboard commandos" you chide were to refer to you and your crowd as a bunch of "pussy cheese eating surrender monkeys."

[rushmc 23]

quade

***and here? Within 10 posts, this intellectual sewer had turned a report of a terror attack in a foreign country into a discussion on American gun ownership rights...
It's pathetic.

There are some people who are in this forum (country) who seem to think gun ownership in America is pretty much the only topic; ever.

It's like the old saying about when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Sadly, those people will never understand how extremist they are and how it colors their entire view of the world.



Nice broad brush swipe Paul
Disgusting but nice



Of course your post here does not show any of the same now does it?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[Skyrad 0]

I've not written anything about the attack up to now but after reflection I come to the following conclusion.

1) The cartoonists should not have been killed, there is no justification for that.

2) Charlie Hebdo is a shit two bit rag with 20K readership in a country of millions. Charlie Hebdo was like a drunk in a bar loud mouthing everyone and anyone for the sake of it.

3) Freedom of speech doesn't exist in France anyway.

4) I've more respect for the dead Muslim Police officer who was killed defending the cartoonists right to defame and insult his culture and religion than the cartoonists who were jumped up gobshites looking to provoke outrage without any aim other than that.

5) Kick a bear in the balls and don't be surprised to find its jaws around your throat. Bottom line is that while offending Muslims was the intention Charlie Hebdo was pretty fucking stupid as they purposely targeted IS and Al Bagdadi (among other psycho terrorists). Thats not big and its not clever it is actually pretty stupid accomplishes nothing and got some innocents killed in the process. Do they have the right to free speech, sure but with free speech comes consequences. Are you free to jump off a building without a rig? Sure but guess what that has consequences too.

6) Based on Stats Five people died on UK roads today and a further 50 injured because of drunk drivers, no one said anything about them. My condolences go to their families.

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[ryoder 1,590]

"Muslim employee saved lives in attack on Paris kosher supermarket":
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.636361

So thanks to a Muslim employee of a Jewish grocery, the dirtbags apparently had no idea of how many hostages they really had.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[HighJB 0]

What i read in your message is just full of crap.
Accepting to shut our mouth because the bear has big balls is just giving up our right to be a democracy.

ça passe ou ça frotte

[Anvilbrother 0]

True but no one in their right mind would go to Compton, or some bad part of New York and start screaming the N word to every black person they see and expect nothing to happen to them. There is consequences to free speech as great as it is.

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[Boomerdog 0]

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There are some people who are in this forum (country) who seem to think gun ownership in America is pretty much the only topic; ever.

It's like the old saying about when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Sadly, those people will never understand how extremist they are and how it colors their entire view of the world.

Well then why don't you enlighten us with your sage wisdom?
The view of the world in this context (if you were to step back and think about it just a little) is the issue of self defense and what does one do if armed and confronted. It's a combination of opinion and venting. Like I asked another one of your confederates; is this NOT the purpose of this forum?

But here's the fundamental issue. YOU are now a target and unlike the Cold War where targets were cities, military bases and people were "collateral damage," this one is a little more personal. YOU and the rest of us are hated and deserve death just because you are who you are...a non believer who doesn't buy in to their level of reality.

For 22 years of military service, there was a target on my back. I volunteered, NO ONE forced my signature on the dotted line. But whether you like it or not; I'll repeat YOU are also a target and you have no choice in the matter.

All your reasoning and thinking and kevetching isn't going to do you or anyone in the same position any good as a tango slits your throat in front of a GoPro....it's a little to late for that.

"...those people will never understand..." Those people understand better than you think.

Playing hockey with a croquet mentality will only result in getting your head handed to you. It will also bring harm to the other hockey players.

My advise to you (and I highly doubt you'll listen) is this. If you're going to hold the opinions and views you've chosen and are certainly entitled to hold, stay at the croquet field and DON'T come to the rink...even to watch.

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HighJB

What i read in your message is just full of crap.
Accepting to shut our mouth because the bear has big balls is just giving up our right to be a democracy.

Hey if some idiots want to go and provoke terrorists in the full knowledge that those psychos are likely to come and kill them then thats up to them. Lets not pretend that they were heroes of free speech that is just bollocks. They were offensive just to get a rise, they got one. Sadly their shit kicking also got innocent people just trying to live their lives killed when the psychos came looking for them. Actions have consequences.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Anvilbrother

True but no one in their right mind would go to Compton, or some bad part of New York and start screaming the N word to every black person they see and expect nothing to happen to them. There is consequences to free speech as great as it is.

Exactly.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[wmw999 2,587]

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But here's the fundamental issue. YOU are now a target and unlike the Cold War where targets were cities, military bases, and people were "collateral damage," this one is a little more personal. YOU and the rest of us are hated and deserve death just because who you are...

Interesting. You were writing about non-Muslims (in the broadest sense). But this applies just as well to Muslims in some parts of America, and to African-Americans in others, illegal immigrants, etc. Death is too strong for what most people wish those other minorities, but then it's a small (though active) minorities of Muslims who think those other things, too.

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Skyrad

***What i read in your message is just full of crap.
Accepting to shut our mouth because the bear has big balls is just giving up our right to be a democracy.

Hey if some idiots want to go and provoke terrorists in the full knowledge that those psychos are likely to come and kill them then thats up to them. Lets not pretend that they were heroes of free speech that is just bollocks. They were offensive just to get a rise, they got one. Sadly their shit kicking also got innocent people just trying to live their lives killed when the psychos came looking for them. Actions have consequences.

They were offensive to expose the scumballs for what they are. I'll admit I'd never heard of Charlie before this but I sure do know who they are now. Unintended consequences.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[jakee 1,594]

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Sadly their shit kicking also got innocent people just trying to live their lives killed when the psychos came looking for them. Actions have consequences.

That's bullshit victim blaming of the highest order. Charlie Hebdo din't get anyone killed. It's not their fault, just like if a guy's girlfriend doesn't put out it's not her fault if he gets frustrated and rapes someone.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

Have a look at their cartoons, not just the ones about Muslims, they were arses towards everyone, there was no purpose other than to offend people. They insulted the Church, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the English, America, right wingers, the Pope you name it. They were offensive for the sake of giving offence that is all. Should they have the right to offend? To a point, its a classless and ignorant thing to do but there is a legal right to offend (to a point) in France law prevents the publication of racist, xenophobic or anti-Semitic (they have no lumped into that anti zionist). So Muslims are fair game but Jews are not. The main reason for that is a guilty conscience as the vast majority of French people actively collaborated with the Nazis in the deportation and extermination of the Jews in WWII. Even today with these laws in place Frnce remains one of the most racist nations in Europe and Jews are leaving France by the thousand to escape the racist French oppression of followers of the Jewish faith once again. However this time Charlie Hebdo took the piss out of terrorists and not unsurprisingly paid the price. The attack was far from unforeseen following previous attack. Provoking murders for the hell of it is pretty stupid and even unintended consequences are still consequences.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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jakee

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Sadly their shit kicking also got innocent people just trying to live their lives killed when the psychos came looking for them. Actions have consequences.

That's bullshit victim blaming of the highest order. Charlie Hebdo din't get anyone killed. It's not their fault, just like if a guy's girlfriend doesn't put out it's not her fault if he gets frustrated and rapes someone.

They were undeniably a contributory factor in the death of innocents.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[ryoder 1,590]

Skyrad

Have a look at their cartoons, not just the ones about Muslims, they were arses towards everyone, there was no purpose other than to offend people. They insulted the Church, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the English, America, right wingers, the Pope you name it. They were offensive for the sake of giving offence that is all. Should they have the right to offend?

Yes.

I consider "Hustler" magazine to be tasteless crap, but I'll defend Larry Flynt's right to publish it, and the US Supreme Court agrees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine,_Inc._v._Falwell

Any idiot who thinks every living person on the planet is required not to offend them, else they have the right to use violence, is a menace to society, and belongs behind bars.

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ryoder

***Have a look at their cartoons, not just the ones about Muslims, they were arses towards everyone, there was no purpose other than to offend people. They insulted the Church, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the English, America, right wingers, the Pope you name it. They were offensive for the sake of giving offence that is all. Should they have the right to offend?

Yes.

I consider "Hustler" magazine to be tasteless crap, but I'll defend Larry Flynt's right to publish it, and the US Supreme Court agrees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine,_Inc._v._Falwell

Any idiot who thinks every living person on the planet is required not to offend them, else they have the right to use violence, is a menace to society, and belongs behind bars.

How many deaths would Hustler cause if they printed a Mohammad caricature?

NONE - A proper Muslim is not supposed to view pornagraphy.

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[jakee 1,594]

Skyrad

They were undeniably a contributory factor in the death of innocents.

Simply through existing and being involved, but there can be absolutely no blame attached to them whatsoever.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

Of course they are innocent in the same way as a person who throws stones at a hornets nest the consequences of which being the hornets come and sting not only him but also kill others in the vicinity, he wasn't to blame it was the hornets that stung. As I said, unintended consequences are still consequences.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[jakee 1,594]

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The main reason for that is a guilty conscience as the vast majority of French people actively collaborated with the Nazis in the deportation and extermination of the Jews in WWII. Even today with these laws in place Frnce remains one of the most racist nations in Europe and Jews are leaving France by the thousand to escape the racist French oppression of followers of the Jewish faith once again.

And what does that have to do with anything?

It sounds like you're stretching to paint the cartoonist with guilt by association - they must be racist because they're french. Little bit ironic, if I'm honest.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

ryoder

***Have a look at their cartoons, not just the ones about Muslims, they were arses towards everyone, there was no purpose other than to offend people. They insulted the Church, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the English, America, right wingers, the Pope you name it. They were offensive for the sake of giving offence that is all. Should they have the right to offend?

Yes.

I consider "Hustler" magazine to be tasteless crap, but I'll defend Larry Flynt's right to publish it, and the US Supreme Court agrees:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine,_Inc._v._Falwell

Any idiot who thinks every living person on the planet is required not to offend them, else they have the right to use violence, is a menace to society, and belongs behind bars.

Of course there should be the right to offend but even the right to offend has its limits under law and rightly so.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[jakee 1,594]

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Of course they are innocent in the same way as a person who throws stones at a hornets nest the consequences of which being the hornets come and sting not only him but also kill others in the vicinity, he wasn't to blame it was the hornets that stung.

There is nothing "the same way" about that. Absolute bollocks, and in no way worthy of your normal level intelligence and rational thinking.

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As I said, unintended consequences are still consequences.

So you would blame the girlfriend in my above example. Got it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

jakee

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The main reason for that is a guilty conscience as the vast majority of French people actively collaborated with the Nazis in the deportation and extermination of the Jews in WWII. Even today with these laws in place Frnce remains one of the most racist nations in Europe and Jews are leaving France by the thousand to escape the racist French oppression of followers of the Jewish faith once again.

And what does that have to do with anything?

It sounds like you're stretching to paint the cartoonist with guilt by association - they must be racist because they're french. Little bit ironic, if I'm honest.

no, I'm not saying they were racists, simply arseholes.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[jakee 1,594]

So why bring it up?

Honestly right now all you sound like is the guy who claims that women in short skirts are sluts who deserve to be molested.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?