Shooting in Paris

[kallend 2,138]

regulator

***I think you continually miss the point.
It's not about heroically saving everyone.
It's about reducing the end effects and altering it's course. It's about not tolerating being put down like animals and letting the bad guys win.

WE have to stand up to this.

You say WE but do you really see kallend standing up to anyone other than conservatives on this forum...especially with a firearm?

What makes you think I can't shoot, Oh Keyboard Commando?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

******I think you continually miss the point.
It's not about heroically saving everyone.
It's about reducing the end effects and altering it's course. It's about not tolerating being put down like animals and letting the bad guys win.

WE have to stand up to this.

You say WE but do you really see kallend standing up to anyone other than conservatives on this forum...especially with a firearm?

What makes you think I can't shoot, Oh Keyboard Commando?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Anvilbrother 0]

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He shoots from half court annnnddddd.........THREEEEEEEEE!!

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[normiss 886]

Generally more of a "whooosh"!
airball.

[HighJB 0]

Thank you for all the messages of support.

ça passe ou ça frotte

[wmw999 2,576]

It is an attack on everyone; I'm sorry it happened in France this time. It is offensive.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Rick 67]

SkyDekker

I haven't seen too many North American media outlets display the courage this French media outlet displayed.

The only attacks on media outlets in North America (that I can recall) in recent history were from Anthrax in letters mailed to them. So not sure what you are comparing to.

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

[BillyVance 35]

If somebody threatens me or my family with violence, you goddamn well better understand I will meet violence with violence, in the context of self defense.

Anybody that says I can't do that, I say go fuck yourself.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

It is an attack on everyone; I'm sorry it happened in France this time. It is offensive.

Wendy P.

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[champu 1]

A couple things...

1) Surprise is not in the favor of those being attacked and I agree that if you're one of the first people attacked in a situation like this, your chances aren't good regardless of whether you're armed or not. I dunno... maybe if you never carry anything in your right hand you'd be okay.

That said, I think quade's comments are trying to paint this picture where if a couple people come into the office with automatic weapons that everyone is just insta-dead, and that's not the case. The desire to have a firearm in such a situation isn't necessarily about ITGing it up and saving the day. What if you try to run away and get backed into an office, or if you're wounded and try to hide, and the attackers follow you? I really don't think it's that far fetched.

2) You're absolutely right to consider the dangers of owning/carrying a weapon when choosing whether to do so, but as with anything, simply looking at statistics to make your decision is probably selling yourself short. (e.g. if all firearms accidents were as a result of loaded-handgun-juggling, you could do something with that information, and you could own and carry a handgun much more safely than statistics might imply.)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Rick

*** I haven't seen too many North American media outlets display the courage this French media outlet displayed.

The only attacks on media outlets in North America (that I can recall) in recent history were from Anthrax in letters mailed to them. So not sure what you are comparing to.

Media outlets actively posting satirical cartoons regarding Islam. Media outlets continuing to do so after getting firebombed. Media outlets continuing to do so after being put on a hit list etc etc.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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MYTH 3:"Since a gun in a home is many times more likely to kill a family member than to stop a criminal, armed citizens are not a deterrent to crime."

I didn't make that claim.

I said that statistics show my family would be at greater risk by having the firearm around. I made no claim as to whether that serves as a deterrent to crime or not.

In short, the risk of my family dieing in a shooting is lower than the increased risk of introducing a firearm into the house.

[RMK 3]

Stumpy

Wow. Anyone thinking this would be less likely to happen in the US due to all the people carrying guns clearly has a major issue with reality.

"If I was there with a rifle". WTF?

Yes, they read too many superhero comic books.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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I said that statistics show my family would be at greater risk by having the firearm around.

You live in Toronto right? Are you not aware of the firearms laws in Canada, you know Bill C-68? Perhaps you are like many Canadians who are completely clueless to our actual firearms laws but still think having a firearm in the house is a death sentence, If you have your PAL or an RPAL in Canada, the firearm can NOT be loaded while it is in storage (ie: in your house), the firearm must have at least one sort on lock it at all times when the firearm is a non-restricted firearm. If it is a restricted firearm then you need two locks at all times. The ammunition can NOT be stored with the firearm (not talking about loaded firearms here) and it too, the ammunition, must be behind some sort of lock.

As long as you follow the law, having a firearm in your house in Canada is not at all dangerous. Unless of course you are worried about being pistol whipped. But you stand a better chance of being high sticked than pistol whipped.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[lawrocket 3]

HighJB

Thank you for all the messages of support.

You are in our thoughts and minds.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,138]

BillyVance

If somebody threatens me or my family with violence, you goddamn well better understand I will meet violence with violence, in the context of self defense.

Anybody that says I can't do that, I say go fuck yourself.

Another one who thinks he can do better than the the Secret Service or tactically trained police.

I'm sure you would *TRY*.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

***If somebody threatens me or my family with violence, you goddamn well better understand I will meet violence with violence, in the context of self defense.

Anybody that says I can't do that, I say go fuck yourself.

Another one who thinks he can do better than the the Secret Service or tactically trained police.

I'm sure you would *TRY*.

That's all anyone can do. I believe given the opportunity you would try as well.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[mirage62 0]

Ok everyone keep in mind that 99% of what John says is to bait the other person. He is a master at it - I mean that. Like crazy good at it.

I've grown up with weapons in the house, my children have to. For generations we've managed to not kill one another. I don't live in fear of it happening.

Personally if someone comes in my house I'd rather have the gun than not.

But I live in south Georgia - most of the crooks seem to be up north. I don't know why, maybe it's the restrictive gun laws?

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Stumpy 284]

mirage62

But I live in south Georgia - most of the crooks seem to be up north. I don't know why, maybe it's the restrictive gun laws?

Nah - its because Atlanta is a f'n miserable place.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[quade 4]

mirage62

But I live in south Georgia - most of the crooks seem to be up north. I don't know why, maybe it's the restrictive gun laws?

Probably not. I read an interesting idea about how in any given population the number of crooks is relatively constant at around 10%. The difference is how people go about being a crook. So, for instance, when people have no opportunities to commit white collar crime, perhaps the crime tends to be increased through violence.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Stumpy 284]

quade

***But I live in south Georgia - most of the crooks seem to be up north. I don't know why, maybe it's the restrictive gun laws?

Probably not. I read an interesting idea about how in any given population the number of crooks is relatively constant at around 10%. The difference is how people go about being a crook. So, for instance, when people have no opportunities to commit white collar crime, perhaps the crime tends to be committed through violence.

Got a reference to that? That idea has a lot of interesting corollaries.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[quade 4]

Stumpy

Got a reference to that? That idea has a lot of interesting corollaries.

Sadly, no. Just something I remember reading awhile back. Wasn't really a scholarly article, although my guess is since we're discussing it there probably is one out there somewhere.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,098]

>Know how a "lucky shot" can take down an aircraft?

Sure. Heck, a little ice can take down an aircraft. But the myth of a bullethole causing explosive decompression, sucking people out the huge hole that results, destroying the aircraft etc is just that.

>Shoot the the floor and hope you don't hit the control system?

Well, you'd have to hit three in most aircraft - which isn't impossible but is unlikely.

Needless to say, it is in general a bad idea to shoot weapons in a flying airplane. But a terrorist's gun poses much more of a threat actually shooting people than in "taking down the plane" (or sucking people out a large hole) due to an errant shot.

(However come to think of it that might be a good myth to promulgate.)

>Come to think of it, a slow decompress may render the whole plane unconscious
>within a minute.

Agreed but a bullethole won't do that. Between the speed the aircraft can descend and the extra capacity from the pressurization system* even a few bulletholes aren't generally going to be the biggest threat from a terrorist's gun.

(* most pressurization systems put a large amount of pressurized air into the aircraft via bleed air, and vent it via an orifice valve. The valve, rather than the bleed air, determines the cabin altitude. Thus extra holes just cause the orifice valve to close more tightly, until it cannot close any further.)

[GD64 1]

Stumpy

******But I live in south Georgia - most of the crooks seem to be up north. I don't know why, maybe it's the restrictive gun laws?

Probably not. I read an interesting idea about how in any given population the number of crooks is relatively constant at around 10%. The difference is how people go about being a crook. So, for instance, when people have no opportunities to commit white collar crime, perhaps the crime tends to be committed through violence.

Got a reference to that? That idea has a lot of interesting corollaries.

Sorry, bit of a hack, but article in Libertarian News. Org, by Michael Suede dated June 5, 2014 addresses those numbers in an article regarding percentage of criminals in America.

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

Needless to say, it is in general a bad idea to shoot weapons in a flying airplane.

Hey, Ryan, be careful what you shoot at. Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.