Andy9o8 2 #26 December 22, 2014 QuoteAgain, the M.E. did not state the cause of death was by asphyxiation. That's just been answered. QuoteYou don't die from a neck compression. You die from a choke hold due to asphyxiation. You're grasping at straws. He died from the totality of force applied upon him, including the choke hold, even if not exclusively from the choke-hold. You really need to stop massaging the half-facts. You're not convincing anyone. QuoteEven the Grand Jury did not indict him. The grand jury returned a "NO BILL". That's also been answered. We're not going to keep repeating ourselves just because you do. "Last word" does not equal "correct". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #27 December 22, 2014 QuoteI clearly did not say that. If you need to spin-up someone's words to fit your agenda, you've already lost the debate. You didn't initially specify that but now you have clarified that you don't feel that way. Therefore, No need to spin sir. QuoteDitto. My meaning is obvious to an honest reader of my comments, your spin-up notwithstanding. I'm just not willing to play that game with you. No games sir. You didn't specify on it, but you now clarified that it wasn't the case. Therefore, no need to to go on about it sir.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #28 December 22, 2014 What the fuck are you talking about. Your kind ment anti gun, anti police left. In what fucked up state of mind does someone saying your kind mean hatred? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #29 December 22, 2014 Please stop hijacking this post. This is about a perp who pulled his gun on cops and pulled the trigger twice. I know you love to see your post and read it but if it doesn't pertain to this topic, please stop hijacking this post.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 December 22, 2014 CameraNewbiePlease stop hijacking this post. This is about a perp who pulled his gun on cops and pulled the trigger twice. I know you love to see your post and read it but if it doesn't pertain to this topic, please stop hijacking this post. Seriously? You're the one who launched the detailed misinformation rant about the ME's report in the chokehold case in your post #15. I responded to that. You hijacked your own fucking thread. It's a little late to bitch about it now. Own it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #31 December 22, 2014 AnvilbrotherQuoteIf Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Ireland, Japan, etc. can manage numbers than can be counted on the fingers of one hand, why is >400 acceptable to you in the USA? Once again you bring up shit that was debunked weeks and months ago. No, it wasn't. "YOUR KIND" would like it to be, but your wishes don't create facts, any more than cameranewbie's interpretation of an ME's report changes what the report stated.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #32 December 22, 2014 Then why when in our multiple post discussion where I laid out facts about the us and EU countries did you not bring this up then? Ooh that's right I was right you know it and you had hoped others forgot by now so you could use the bullshit argument some more. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #33 December 22, 2014 And, incidentally, the 400 figure is just a baseline for "justifiable" homicides by police from the FBI database. A listing of all police shootings suggest that the total number is around 1,100 per year. Your wishful thinking notwithstanding, the USA is WAY out of line with other developed western nations.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #34 December 22, 2014 ..........you sure you don't have Alzheimer's?.... We keep going over the same shit debunking your numbers and showing you how you can't compare the U.S. shooting numbers to EU. You have also been shown how reporters have researched every shooting they could find and have and found that 400-600 is about the average number of shootings and out of people shot only a small fraction of about 10-12 people are killed in cold blood illegally the rest are justified shootings. So for the love of God stop your bullshit and come up with a better argument. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #35 December 22, 2014 Anvilbrother..........you sure you don't have Alzheimer's?.... We keep going over the same shit debunking your numbers and showing you how you can't compare the U.S. shooting numbers to EU. You have also been shown how reporters have researched every shooting they could find and have and found that 400-600 is about the average number of shootings and out of people shot only a small fraction of about 10-12 people are killed in cold blood illegally the rest are justified shootings. So for the love of God stop your bullshit and come up with a better argument. You're right, there is no comparison between EU shootings by cops and US shootings by cops. The US rate is about 100x higher. The reasons are obvious to anyone with more than 1/2 a brain, yet you try to blame it on differences that are insignificant by comparison with the 800 pound gorilla which everyone can see but you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #36 December 22, 2014 No I laid out amazing relevant facts that you chose to ignore because it harmed your retarded method of posting completely false information here. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 December 22, 2014 I love the back and forth justifying why the US has so many more civilian on cop and cop on civilian shootings than the rest of the western world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #38 December 22, 2014 Go find my posts where I laid it all out straight facts as to why. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #39 December 22, 2014 Also of note is the ease in which these very numbers can be found and verified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #40 December 22, 2014 I do believe your own personal fucked up state of mind just did. Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #41 December 22, 2014 What??????? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #42 December 22, 2014 QuoteSeriously? You're the one who launched the detailed misinformation rant about the ME's report in the chokehold case in your post #15. I responded to that. You hijacked your own fucking thread. It's a little late to bitch about it now. Own it. Dude, you should own up to hijacking posts. That seems to be your M.O. You love to see your post and read it. I get it. It's ok. Clearly, you have a problem here. You have a problem admitting that you wrote something or in your case, you didn't write something or that's not what you were implying but you don't own up to it. Try to just keep your comments within the post's topic. Thanks and that is all. Happy Flying Spaghetti monster holidays!What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #43 December 23, 2014 AnvilbrotherNo I laid out amazing relevant facts that you chose to ignore because it harmed your retarded method of posting completely false information here. You laid out some marginally relevant facts while totally ignoring the 800 pound gorilla.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #44 December 23, 2014 Guns per 100 residents.. US 90 England 6.2 You cannot compare US shootings to England, ooh how you do try though. Look at these FACTS, or continue to ignore them because they blow your argument out of the water. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 December 23, 2014 AnvilbrotherGuns per 100 residents.. US 90 England 6.2 You cannot compare US shootings to England, ooh how you do try though. Look at these FACTS, or continue to ignore them because they blow your argument out of the water. LMAO, those facts don't help you Anvil. They hurt you. In the 12 months ending March 31, 2013 in England and Wales, police discharged a firearm in 3 incident.....that is 3 incidents. Compare that to the US..... so with 6.8% of guns per 100 compared to the US, they have 0.8% of the number of police shootings compared to the US. (And that is only if you use the 400 number, many people believe the number is significantly higher) Don't you hate it when the facts you think support your argument end up blowing it out of the water? You guys just love to shoot and kill people. Just a very agressive society, where violence tends to be the answer for most problems. It is how you run your foreign policy, no surprise your society runs the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #46 December 23, 2014 Woosh Keep focusing you will get it eventually. Having millions of guns legal and illegal in the US means_____ compared to England's ______....... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #47 December 23, 2014 Could you explain the correlation of how many guns I have to how many people cops murder? I am having trouble understanding the relationship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #48 December 23, 2014 AnvilbrotherWoosh Keep focusing you will get it eventually. Having millions of guns legal and illegal in the US means_____ compared to England's ______....... Going off on a completely different tangent... Why didn't Japan invade the U.S. in WWII? They knew it was suicide. Most homes had guns. Plus, if we hadn't gone to Europe to fight the Germans, England would have been overrun."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #49 December 23, 2014 QuoteCould you explain the correlation of how many guns I have to how many people cops murder? I am having trouble understanding the relationship. The numerous availability to guns in the US legal and illegal means cops are going to be faced against them more often than in England on a direct front and indirect threat front. Its pretty simple. Just look at the LOD deaths this year the leading cause of officer deaths is gunfights with suspects. http://www.odmp.org/search/year You say murder, but cops only murder a fraction of the alleged 400 people shot. The other shootings are mostly against citizens using the widely available legal and illegal guns against cops or others. Something you clearly do not have in England. Since everyone here is too lazy to do it themselves. I will show you what some of the people shot by officers were doing at the time. From the list of 2011 shootings on wiki. -Shot after assaulting police officer with weapons -Shot during struggle with officer after Gilyard reached for the officer's handgun. -Muncie was shot an killed after allegedly wounding three police officers -Shot while stabbing her own four-year-old daughter to death and refusing commands to put down a knife. -Welling allegedly put the car in reverse and drove toward the officer, who fired at him several times. -Shot and killed by a Sebastopol Police Department officer after pulling a revolver from his waistband -Shot and killed while running from and pointing a gun at an officer. -Shot in police parking lot when the man came at the officer with a knife -Shot after shooting at police - Shot after aiming gun at police. -Shot after touching his own gun during a meeting to exchange child pornography with undercover federal officials. -Shot after striking a police officer with vehicle -shot to death less than a block from him home after refusing to drop his gun. -Shot after reaching for gun in glove box after resisting arrest. -Shot after ignoring command to drop weapon and then firing on police -Shot after ignoring commands to drop weapon and pointing gun at police -Shot after firing on police. -Shot after robbing bank, killing an officer with vehicle while fleeing, and firing on police. -Shot after fatally shooting police officer. Post was wanted on felony charges of shooting at his boss -Shot after non-fatally shooting associate and refusing to drop weapon. -Shot after refusing to drop knife and lunging at police officers.' -Shot after pointing a handgun at police -Shot after two-hour standoff with police and pointing shotgun at police. -Shot after shooting near school and shooting at police. -Shot during shootout with police following bank robbery, car jacking and chase. -Shot after ignoring deputy commands and setting room on fire. Police were responding to report that Martin threatened to set his wife on fire. Martin had doused her and their home with gasoline -Hull was shot to death after shooting and injuring a police officer -Shot while burglarizing the home of an Atlanta police officer. -Shot after attempting to stab a police officer. -Shot after refusing to drop knife -Shot after attacking and grabbing an officer's gun. Another officer told the assailant to drop the gun. The assailant instead pointed the gun at the other officer who then shot him. -Shot by SWAT team during standoff. The man had shot at a neighbor who called police. As the police arrived, the man shot at them, then barricaded himself inside his home -Shot after refusing to drop knife and shotgun -Shot after having a said shootout with police while holding a pistol and attempting to escape in a car. -Shot after firing at police -Shot after punching plainclothes officer several times and reaching for knife. -Shot after refusing to drop knife. Police arrived after Alfred had stabbed another man to death -Shot after refusing to drop shotgun and approaching officers -Shot while reaching for handgun while being chased by police -Shot after struggle with police and reaching for gun in waistband. -Shot after shooting at police. -Shot after shooting at police -After Olivas refused to drop the knife and continued advancing toward officers despite being shot with beanbags, officers shot the man to death -Shot to death by officers after allegedly pointing a gun at them -Shot during attempted prison escape. Drove a forklift through one set of doors then into the prison's perimeter fences -Shot after shooting at officers. -Shot after refusing to drop weapon - Shot after car chase and firing a shot. -Shot after exiting vehicle with shotgun or rifle in hand. -Shot during an aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer -Shot during armed robbery of store and after shooting at police. -Shot after refusing to drop weapon. -Shot after pulling out a gun and shooting at officers. -Shot during armed robbery of store and after shooting at police -Shot after a report of an armed robbery with a sword -Shot after pointing gun at state trooper. -Shot after lunging at officers with axe -Shot after pointing a handgun at officers. -Shot after advancing on police with knife in hand and refusing commands to drop weapon -Shot after refusing to lay down a machete Sampson had used to strike an officer's car -Shot after firing on police, wounding officer and taking a family of four hostage -Shot in vehicle after shooting at police to include one shot to police officer's arm -Shot by two Nassau County Police officers when he lunged at them with knives -Shot after producing a weapon. -Shot after striking deputy in head with a hammer. -Shot after firing on police with two pistols. -Shot after raising gun at officers. -Shot after point a handgun at officer. -Shot after confronting deputy with a shotgun. -Shot after refusing to stop stabbing another man on the ground -Shot after shooting three times at police. -Shot after fatally shooting two police officers, -Shot after pointing gun at police -Died in a shootout that also killed two Miami-Dade Police Department detectives -Shot after repeatedgly striking police officers and attempting to take their guns -Shot in vehicle after dragging police officer with vehicle. -Shot as approaching officer with knife raised in overhand grip. For fucks sake can you please stop saying cops murder 400 people per year. This list of actions from 2011 clearly show that majority of the time when a cops shoots someone its because they were doing something that legally justified the use of deadly force. Also for fucks sake please stop comparing the US to England. Please show me a list of people doing the same shit to officers there like I have shown you happens to officers in the US. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #50 December 23, 2014 QuoteThe numerous availability to guns in the US legal and illegal means cops are going to be faced against them more often than in England on a direct front and indirect threat front. Its pretty simple. Just look at the LOD deaths this year the leading cause of officer deaths is gunfights with suspects. Hang on a second. When the anti-gun crown claims that due to the wide and easy availability of guns in the US, gun crime is high, the statement is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Yet, now you are using that argument to justify the very high number of police on civilian shootings? You know you are thereby agreeing that easy availability of guns leads to increased violence right? You sure you want to continue on this line of logic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
