Perp shoots at cops but ran out of bullets on the same day 2 cops were killed.

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Perp shoots at cops but ran out of bullets on the same day 2 cops were killed.

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do you they want it? NOW!!!! Another criminal that has no qualm to grant the protesters' wishes.

The very same day that 2 cops were assassinated in Brooklyn yesterday, a 17 year old male fires rounds into random apartment windows in the Bronx, nearly missing a few occupants inside their apartments. When cops responded to the scene, just a few feet away from cops, the criminal aims his .357 caliber revolver at cops twice, pulls the trigger a few times. Thank God his gun was empty.

All LIVES matter!

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

[kallend 2,150]

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

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[normiss 897]

Or when a felony take down choke hold kills a guy you could have issued a ticket to?

[Andy9o8 2]

You can start as many threads on the same subject as they let you, but the premise of each of your OPs is bullshit.

Here's a premise for you: If police don't want the public to dislike them, they shouldn't treat civilians like the enemy and push them around for no other reason than because they can.

And I don't mean just the oft-profiled darkish folks that you and your fellow travelers are dysfunctionally obsessed with. I mean like the recent time I, a clean-cut, middle-aged white guy, was driving in Boca my with blue-haired elderly mom in a newer family sedan - hoo boy, did we look dangerous! - and a cop rolled up on us and screamed - screamed! - at us for the dire offense of standing the car at the curb in front of a store in a strip shopping center (we were reading the "open hours" sign) rather than immediately parking in the lined spaces in the lot. It was about 8:00 pm (summer, still daylight), and there were almost no other cars in the lot, so we weren't in anyone's way. No, I didn't give him an attitude or anything, he just did it... because he could.

I was raised to respect police officers, and I raised my kids to do the same. But when police push around ordinary citizens living ordinary lives, they start to lose the last bastion of their popular support, and not just that of the smart-asses.

So here's another premise for you: In a civil society, peace generally requires justice. No justice, no peace.

You want to say those murdered cops' blood is on the hands of protesters and their supporters? Or on the mayor of NYC (as the police union is saying)? I say it's on the hands of a police culture that treats civilians like the enemy. And their supporters.

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kallend

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?

ETA: . . . and which would happen even more if there were no peace officers?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 897]

Clearly you're resisting.

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Andy9o8

You can start as many threads on the same subject as they let you, but the premise of each of your OPs is bullshit.

Here's a premise for you: If police don't want the public to dislike them, they shouldn't treat civilians like the enemy and push them around for no other reason than because they can.

And I don't mean just the oft-profiled darkish folks that you and your fellow travelers are dysfunctionally obsessed with. I mean like the recent time I, a clean-cut, middle-aged white guy, was driving in Boca my with blue-haired elderly mom in a newer family sedan - hoo boy, did we look dangerous! - and a cop rolled up on us and screamed - screamed! - at us for the dire offense of standing the car at the curb in front of a store in a strip shopping center (we were reading the "open hours" sign) rather than immediately parking in the lined spaces in the lot. It was about 8:00 pm (summer, still daylight), and there were almost no other cars in the lot, so we weren't in anyone's way. No, I didn't give him an attitude or anything, he just did it... because he could.

I was raised to respect police officers, and I raised my kids to do the same. But when police push around ordinary citizens living ordinary lives, they start to lose the last bastion of their popular support, and not just that of the smart-asses.

So here's another premise for you: In a civil society, peace generally requires justice. No justice, no peace.

You want to say those murdered cops' blood is on the hands of protesters and their supporters? Or on the mayor of NYC (as the police union is saying)? I say it's on the hands of a police culture that treats civilians like the enemy. And their supporters.

One could argue that it is directly Al Sharpton because of his comments.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?

ETA: . . . and which would happen even more if there were no peace officers?

Both are unacceptable. In a civil society, especially one governed the willing consent of the governed, the number of innocent civilians killed by police should be on an order approaching zero.

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One could argue that it is directly Al Sharpton because of his comments.

Or turtles with their heads in their shells.

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Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Nope absolutely fucking not fuck those innocent guys.....

Can you not read, or just starting shit again??? He said

All LIVES matter!

For fuck sakes man

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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Andy9o8

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?

ETA: . . . and which would happen even more if there were no peace officers?

Both are unacceptable. In a civil society, especially one governed the willing consent of the governed, the number of innocent civilians killed by police should be on an order approaching zero.

Kallend says 400 people a year.

400/320,000,000 . . . 0.00000125 is pretty effin close to zero.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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400 people a year... is pretty effin close to zero.

I can think of at least 400 reasons to urge you to reconsider that.

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400 people a year... is pretty effin close to zero.

I can think of at least 400 reasons to urge you to reconsider that.

Only IF you think I have the capability to reduce that number.

Also, it is been presented that it is actually about 12.

Which brings that number a LOT closer to zero. . . .0000000375

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?

ETA: . . . and which would happen even more if there were no peace officers?

Well, I don't know of any criminals that take an oath to uphold the law.

Gangbangers & Drug dealers don't drive around in cars that have "To Protect And Serve" on the side (or even "To Harass & Annoy").

Thugs don't have the legal authority to detain, search & arrest either.

I don't have a problem with cops in general. I have a problem with the thugs and bullies that wear the uniform.

I have more of a problem with the good cops that protect the bad ones.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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normiss

Or when a felony take down choke hold kills a guy you could have issued a ticket to?

The M.E. never said that he died of asphyxiation. If someone puts you in a chokehold and you die from having your airways restricted, you will die due to asphyxiation.

The Grand Jury didn't indict him. They concluded that he didn't die due to asphyxiation. That particular Grand Jury was made up of more than a handful of black people. Are you saying that they're wrong or incompetent?

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

[normiss 897]

I'm having trouble why a felony arrest was made on an individual selling loosies. They could have issued a ticket or a notice to appear.
"The cause of death in the Garner case was “homicide,” specifically the neck compressions from the Pantaleo’s chokehold and “the compression of [Garner’s] chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”

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turtlespeed

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?



Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" theory raises its head again.

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turtlespeed

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All LIVES matter!

Would that include the lives of innocent people shot dead by cops?

Yes, as well a innocent people injured and killed by criminals . . . which one happens more?

ETA: . . . and which would happen even more if there were no peace officers?

Both are unacceptable. In a civil society, especially one governed the willing consent of the governed, the number of innocent civilians killed by police should be on an order approaching zero.

Kallend says 400 people a year.

400/320,000,000 . . . 0.00000125 is pretty effin close to zero.

400 families are likely to disagree with you.

If Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Ireland, Japan, etc. can manage numbers than can be counted on the fingers of one hand, why is >400 acceptable to you in the USA?

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You can start as many threads on the same subject as they let you, but the premise of each of your OPs is bullshit.

Here's a premise for you: If police don't want the public to dislike them, they shouldn't treat civilians like the enemy and push them around for no other reason than because they can.

So based on facts and data that you brought to the table, you're saying that ALL cops treat civilians like the enemy and push them around for no reason because they can?

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I mean like the recent time I, a clean-cut, middle-aged white guy, was driving in Boca my with blue-haired elderly mom in a newer family sedan - hoo boy, did we look dangerous! - and a cop rolled up on us and screamed - screamed! - at us for the dire offense of standing the car at the curb in front of a store in a strip shopping center (we were reading the "open hours" sign) rather than immediately parking in the lined spaces in the lot. It was about 8:00 pm (summer, still daylight), and there were almost no other cars in the lot, so we weren't in anyone's way. No, I didn't give him an attitude or anything, he just did it... because he could.

I can't answer on his behalf for his actions towards you and your mom. You were not given a summons, correct? Regardless of the severity of the violation you committed, you had every right to ask that Police Officer why he took that tone with you but you didn't. Instead you're judging All cops based on one negative interaction that you had with one cop. Do you honestly think that is fair way to judge other cops that are courteous to the public?

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I was raised to respect police officers, and I raised my kids to do the same. But when police push around ordinary citizens living ordinary lives, they start to lose the last bastion of their popular support, and not just that of the smart-asses.

That's awesome that you were raised that way and that's even more awesome that you raised your kids the same way. Growing up, I disliked the police just like everyone else here. I've been kicked, punched, thrown to the ground. However, don't get me wrong, I wasn't exactly an angel either. I wasn't a criminal but I was respectful to the police. What changed my perspective about the police as I matured? 911 did. As I was walking down the stairs of the world trade center, I saw Police and Firemen were walking up, towards the danger. Then, when I was running away from the debris and the clouds of dust in the air, I saw hundreds of Police Officers that were bleeding and had broken limbs but yet they stood their ground and directed us to safety or where to get medical attention.

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You want to say those murdered cops' blood is on the hands of protesters and their supporters?

Let's make this very clear. Protesters are not killing the police officers nor are they hiring killers. They chant that they want dead police officers because they're enraged. However, they're not totally peaceful either. Let's not lie to each other, there are a few bad apples in that bunch. Proof is in the assault of the brooklyn bridge assault on 2 cops, where cops were kicked in the face and one cop had his nose broken.

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

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***Or when a felony take down choke hold kills a guy you could have issued a ticket to?

The M.E. never said that he died of asphyxiation. If someone puts you in a chokehold and you die from having your airways restricted, you will die due to asphyxiation.

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So based on facts and data that you brought to the table, you're saying that ALL cops treat civilians like the enemy and push them around for no reason because they can?

I clearly did not say that. If you need to spin-up someone's words to fit your agenda, you've already lost the debate.

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Instead you're judging All cops based on one negative interaction that you had with one cop.

Ditto. My meaning is obvious to an honest reader of my comments, your spin-up notwithstanding. I'm just not willing to play that game with you.

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If Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Ireland, Japan, etc. can manage numbers than can be counted on the fingers of one hand, why is >400 acceptable to you in the USA?

Once again you bring up shit that was debunked weeks and months ago. #1 Cant compare US to those countries, and you cant use the 400 person number. #2 because according to your kind its not accurate due to lack of mandatory reporting, and #3 is more like 12 shot illegally by cops, and if you bring up that 400+- are shot it brings us back to #1.

Is that all you have, because recently its looking like that.

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[normiss 897]

"your kind"

Yet you accuse others of a similar hatred?

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***Or when a felony take down choke hold kills a guy you could have issued a ticket to?

The M.E. never said that he died of asphyxiation. If someone puts you in a chokehold and you die from having your airways restricted, you will die due to asphyxiation.

The Grand Jury didn't indict him. They concluded that he didn't die due to asphyxiation. That particular Grand Jury was made up of more than a handful of black people. Are you saying that they're wrong or incompetent?

Even Fox News says otherwise: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2014/12/04/i-cant-breathe-medical-examiner-evidence-versus-eric-garner-grand-jurys-decision

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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normiss

I'm having trouble why a felony arrest was made on an individual selling loosies. They could have issued a ticket or a notice to appear.
"The cause of death in the Garner case was “homicide,” specifically the neck compressions from the Pantaleo’s chokehold and “the compression of [Garner’s] chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”

You're ranting on facts and evidence that you have no clue about. The community and the retail store owners made hundreds of complaints to the police and mayor about untaxed cigarettes and selling loosies. The day of the Pataleo's grand jury, Mayor Di Blasio had a secret meeting to vote on strict enforcement for selling loosies and against untaxed cigarettes because he feared the blowback of going forward with it during the protests.

Again, the M.E. did not state the cause of death was by asphyxiation. You don't die from a neck compression. You die from a choke hold due to asphyxiation. Even the Grand Jury did not indict him. The grand jury returned a "NO BILL".

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!