China's courts execute more people than the rest of the world combined

[BillyVance 35]

For those of you that bitch about the United States' use of the death penalty, I'll tell you that I'd rather have our justice system than communist China's. Fuck you very much.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/executed-chinese-teenager-found-innocent-18-years-on/ar-BBgP46K

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[Di0 2]

Time to step up our game.
We have the skills, we have the resources, we have more inmates per capita than them, we have Texas.
Only thing we lack is some real dedication.
There is no reason to be slacking like this.

On a serious note, setting our justice standards to be "better than Chinese" is setting the bar a tad low, isn't it?

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[billvon 3,120]

Number of people in jail in China - 1.5 million
Number of people in jail in the US - 2.2 million

Prisoners per population, China - 12 per 10,000
Prisoners per population, US - 72 per 10,000

Those Chinese have a long way to go before they dethrone us as the convicting-est, jailing-est country on the planet.

But to your point, perhaps our reluctance to use the death penalty (and how many places we have banned it) is one of the things that does set us above China a bit.

[BillyVance 35]

Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[muff528 3]

Looks like the Chinese have found an efficient way to keep the jail population down.

[lawrocket 3]

I'm not one of those in favor of comparing our system to that of another. Sure, we are better than ISIS. I just think that simply comparing highlights the bad.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

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Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

If you listen to some of the hardliners here, they think should be more like China in that regard.

- Dan G

[Stumpy 284]

Oh well done, bravo, you don't execute as many people as that bastion of justice - China!

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[GeorgiaDon 380]

lawrocket

I'm not one of those in favor of comparing our system to that of another. Sure, we are better than ISIS. I just think that simply comparing highlights the bad.

I agree that just comparing numbers is useless, apart from misleading claims to be "better" or "worse". Certainly the comparison Billy made is of no value, as it ignores all the reasons for the differences and so offers no opportunity to learn anything of value.

However, if someone wants to ask the question "could we be doing better" it helps to be able to make some comparisons. Each society is a different experiment (some more independent than others), which means we don't always have to do the experiment ourselves to get an idea of the outcome. For example, someone who favors the death penalty because they believe it is a deterrent to would-be murderers might (if they were inclined towards logic) predict that abolishing the death penalty would remove the deterrent, leading to an increase in murders. Many countries have, in fact, abolished the death penalty, without increasing the murder rate. The experiment has been done for us, if we care to look at the numbers.

I think that in many ways the US justice system compares very favorably with many other countries. Principles such as "innocent until proven guilty", immunity from self-incrimination, the right to legal representation, etc are vast improvements on over how justice is administered in some other places, even if we have a way to go implementing those principles sometimes. [I do recognize that some of those principles were not invented in the US, some derive from British Common Law and are shared by the UK and all its former colonies.] But just comparing numbers is useless (unless someone is talking about a bar bet over what country has the most whatever); the numbers have to have some value judgement attached (is it a good thing or a bad thing that we have more people in jail?), followed by an evaluation of the reasons and considerations of alternatives.

Don

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[christelsabine 1]

BillyVance

Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

You guys are executing yourselves on a daily basis. Again begin of this week: 6 people dead in shootings in Pennsylvania ....

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[rushmc 23]

christelsabine

***Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

You guys are executing yourselves on a daily basis. Again begin of this week: 6 people dead in shootings in Pennsylvania ....



We give guns to crimals everyday
This way they shoot each other and this helps keep prison populations down

Edited to add:
Of course this has nothing to do with the 6 killed in PA
I just wanted to get the thread back on track

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 210]

christelsabine

***Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

You guys are executing yourselves on a daily basis. Again begin of this week: 6 people dead in shootings in Pennsylvania ....



I think it's a bit ironic that you should criticize the US on it's rate of executions.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[christelsabine 1]

airdvr

******Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

You guys are executing yourselves on a daily basis. Again begin of this week: 6 people dead in shootings in Pennsylvania ....



I think it's a bit ironic that you should criticize the US on it's rate of executions.

That's not what I said. I said you guys are executing yourselves ...

You should start to think in the presence. We do not execute. I do not see any irony in what I said.

That's just ridiculous what some of you guys post if you run out of ammo.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[wmw999 2,589]

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We give guns to crimals everyday
This way they shoot each other and this helps keep prison populations down

Who gives guns to criminals? It's sure not the government, so it must be someone else.

We should quit giving guns to criminals.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airdvr 210]

christelsabine

*********Plus we at least give condemned inmates on death row plenty of time for appeals. China does not.

ETA The Chinese execute people for far less worse crimes as well. I don't have any hard data to back that up but that article does say the country executed 2400 people last year.

You guys are executing yourselves on a daily basis. Again begin of this week: 6 people dead in shootings in Pennsylvania ....



I think it's a bit ironic that you should criticize the US on it's rate of executions.

That's not what I said. I said you guys are executing yourselves ...

You should start to think in the presence. We do not execute. I do not see any irony in what I said.

That's just ridiculous what some of you guys post if you run out of ammo.

Wooosh!

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rushmc 23]

wmw999

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We give guns to crimals everyday
This way they shoot each other and this helps keep prison populations down

Who gives guns to criminals? It's sure not the government, so it must be someone else.

We should quit giving guns to criminals.

Wendy P.

Two points Wendy
1 look who I was responding to an
2 Seriously?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

The implied premise of your OP is bollocks. China is a worse executioner than the US, so the US isn't really all that bad an executioner?
Hardly the moral high ground.

[billvon 3,120]

>Seriously?

Poe's Law in action.

[BillyVance 35]

Simply put.... I'll take our system over theirs any day. Fuck China.

Yeah yeah yeah I know, you can't really compare the two. Capitalist vs Communist. Like comparing apples to oranges. I already know what I prefer.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Seriously?

Poe's Law in action.

Your on roll as of late

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 898]

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[lawrocket 3]

normiss

[sic]

Well played.

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[jakee 1,596]

BillyVance

Simply put.... I'll take our system over theirs any day. Fuck China.

Yeah, the thing is dude, that should be a given. It shouldn't even need to be stated.

The fact that you feel it has to be pointed out that, on reflection, the USA is better than China in at least one small way kinda makes me think that things aren't going that great.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

BillyVance

Simply put.... I'll take our system over theirs any day. Fuck China.

Yeah yeah yeah I know, you can't really compare the two. Capitalist vs Communist. Like comparing apples to oranges. I already know what I prefer.

Except they are now the largest economy in the world. The US is slowly bankrupting itself, but keep on pooring buckets of money into "defence" while complaining about welfare and healthcare.

The US will soon lose it's influence. Soft power is gone, or soon will be, hard power will follow in the next decade or two.

[catfishhunter 2]

billvon

Number of people in jail in China - 1.5 million
Number of people in jail in the US - 2.2 million

Prisoners per population, China - 12 per 10,000
Prisoners per population, US - 72 per 10,000

Those Chinese have a long way to go before they dethrone us as the convicting-est, jailing-est country on the planet.

But to your point, perhaps our reluctance to use the death penalty (and how many places we have banned it) is one of the things that does set us above China a bit.

How about using numbers that matter Billy. Like crimes not prisoners. More criminals and crimes committed mean more prisoners. Your smarter then that.

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