Here is a Christmas message for men only

[GeorgiaDon 379]

Here are just a few of the numerous rantings about "feminists":

"It is going to be very tough fighting the 150+ years of hard core feminist brainwashing..."

"So we either man up and stand up or cower back down and lose our children and grandchildren to the feminist ways of the world. The war on men is the primary reason for the demise of our nation. This is a fact."

"That is the first thing that we need to wake up to, for most of us we have been consuming poison not knowing what it even was."

"Men are waking up and they are starting to realize that for all their lives they have been consuming the feminized poison that has been promoted all these years."

Of course, all this outrage that women have had the audacity to stand and and demand respect, and control over their own lives, is "legitimized" by reference to religion:

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I could go back a couple of generations and easily find the same drivel arguing that blacks should know their place, and asians, and Indians. Ultimately it's all about narcissistic white men who can only dream about the past, when their XY chromosome pair and lack of pigmentation gave them an automatic place at the head of the table. What a nice self-serving attitude: "I'm in charge because God gave me spermatozoa-producing organs instead of egg-producing organs". How convenient for Mr. Gano.

Real men are not afraid to learn something from women. Real men do not need to control women's lives. Real men look to other people to see what they can do, what they have to offer. They do not seek to control others, or stick them in some box, based on their gender or race.

Perhaps within your lifetime, a woman will be elected President. The sky will not fall, and the sun will continue to rise in the East and set in the West as it has always done. SWNHTF (shit will not hit the fan). I hope when that day comes your head does not explode.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

Scripture reference for the article:

Ephesians 5:
Marriage—Christ and the Church
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,[d] of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

I will stand on the principle that if a woman is loved she will respect her husband and submit to him. Because he, by command, will love her as he loves himself.

It would seem that you and GeorgiaDon have difficulty with sharing love in the sense that the husband and wife are one flesh.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

So, you are definitely a feminist metrosexual. Am I correct in making that determination?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

Do you define "feminist metrosexual" as anyone who believe women are capable of making their own choices in life?

If I entrust my children to a teacher who happens to be female, does that make me a "feminist metrosexual"?

If I get sick, and it so happens that the leading specialist in that diseases is female, am I a "feminist metrosexual" if I choose to see that doctor and not a less competent but male doctor?

If I am speeding and get pulled over by a police officer who turns out to be female, if I fail to inform her that she has no authority over me because she is female, does that make me a "feminist metrosexual"?

If I have a property line dispute with my neighbor, and we agree to have the property line surveyed to resolve the dispute, does that make me a "feminist metrosexual"? If I instead smash him over the head with my axe, and then try to do the same to the female police officer who comes to arrest me, does that make me a "real man"?

It's all so confusing...

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[champu 1]

RonD1120

So, you are definitely a feminist metrosexual...

I change the oil in my car myself but I buy LED light bulbs. I own both firearms and seperate soap for my face. I drink my coffee black and ride a bicycle to work. My wife cooks and cleans, I take the trash out and fix things when they break, and yet I have no trouble voting for pro-choice and women candidates for public offices.

[rehmwa 2]

champu

The author strikes me as a well-meaning, honest, rambling nit-wit.

Speaking up when people you know are being idiots and having a sense of personal responsibility for supporting your family and friends is great. Thinking you can only get there by having your face shoved in the mud as a kid, joining the Army, and having a pastor scare you straight every week is foolish.

It's okay to talk about behaviors you'd like to see more of, but you need to spend more time talking about positive results of those behaviors and why you think those things will emerge rather than about why an ancient book demands them or how to whip people into conforming to them.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[RonD1120 62]

No.

To me, a feminist metrosexual is a male who abdicates responsibility to a female. Someone who thinks that men are wrong just because they are male. Someone who thinks that competition in sports produces a negative outcome because the game identifies winners and losers. And, things such as these.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

I don't think you fit the concept.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,587]

What should a man do when a woman takes responsibility? When she wants to have an equal discourse with a man?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

Listen and offer feedback.

In my feminist dominated work place, listen and obey.

In a solid marriage, listen, discuss and mutually decide.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

rehmwa

***Speaking up when people you know are being idiots and having a sense of personal responsibility for supporting your family and friends is great. Thinking you can only get there by having your face shoved in the mud as a kid, joining the Army, and having a pastor scare you straight every week is foolish.

It's okay to talk about behaviors you'd like to see more of, but you need to spend more time talking about positive results of those behaviors and why you think those things will emerge rather than about why an ancient book demands them or how to whip people into conforming to them.

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All of this, absolutely!

champu

The author strikes me as a well-meaning...

[rant]This I have a harder time with. The author strikes me as a narcissist who wraps himself in the cloak of his religion in order to denigrate the capabilities, ambitions, and accomplishments of anyone who doesn't happen to have a pair of testicles. Perhaps I am overly sensitive to this malignant world view because I happen to live in the "buckle" of the "bible belt" and encounter it too often. I see not the ramblings of an honest nit-wit, but the ravings of a person who would impose their religion on all Americans (the "founding fathers/King James Bible crapola) but also use that to put themselves and their intellectually inbred kin in charge.

We seem to agree that we should call people out when they are behaving badly, and not just sweep it under the rug. Fine. In the forum (speaker's corner), on DZ.com, at the dropzone, and in our everyday lives we are surrounded by women of accomplishment: rocket scientists, active and former military, any manner of occupation. To have someone come here and tell these women that they have no business taking leadership roles, teaching, serving their country, or any other "manly" occupation, and further to blame the "decline of the country" on them, is a disgrace. Someone deserves to be taken to the woodshed.[/rant]

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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In my feminist dominated work place, listen and obey.

In a solid marriage, listen, discuss and mutually decide.

What is there to listen to or discuss, if women are supposed to be silent?

You sound just like a "feminist metrosexual".

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

Now you are just being silly for the sake of Friday afternoon entertainment. Boredom in the halls of academia I suppose.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

RonD1120

Now you are just being silly for the sake of Friday afternoon entertainment. Boredom in the halls of academia I suppose.

Whatever, Ron. You post a piece that claims that the problems of society can be traced to men allowing women to make their own choices, and (horror of horrors) speak their minds, take positions of leadership in society, and even teach! I can only hope such ideas are on their last legs, and will eventually pass. I am mildly amused to note that, when put to it, you admit even you do not live according the precepts Mr. Gano promulgates. You old feminist metrosexual!

Either that, or you've been trolling again, as is your wont.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

I am amazed that is the message you took away from Gano's article. It was about the weakening of the Gospel by pastors seeking members instead of building responsible men.

Also, Gano writes and speaks to Christian men and women. Both sexes are regular contributors to Prophezine. I suppose I made a mistake exposing some of the inner circle to the liberal SC.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[quade 4]

RonD1120

Capitalism is good, let the market place function for the betterment of mankind. That aside from the spiritual focus of the messages.

The market place doesn't function for the betterment of mankind. Never has, never will. It functions solely for the benefit of the owners of businesses.

It's why boner pills were invented before a cure for ebola.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[GeorgiaDon 379]

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I am amazed that is the message you took away ...

Try reading it again, Ron. Sure on one level it's about "responsible men", but the main complaint about why they are not "men" is that they have allowed women to emerge from their God-ordained subservient role. There is some good commentary (IMO) about speaking up when your "brothers" cheat on their wives and such, but that commentary would stand (and be stronger I think) if it were not coupled to all the crap about "feminists". Similarly the complaint about pastors is that they are being PC by not pushing men to keep their women in line enough.

Gano probably does write for both men and women, and I am sure there are some women who are content to be silent and take a subservient role. Probably not many, though. My wife's former boss is a pastor in a fundamentalist church, and he had to go all the way to Romania to find a woman who was sufficiently subservient for him; no American woman he met was willing to play that role. Most Christian churches (including the Catholic, though I know you don't consider that Christian) consider the proper role of women to be subservient to men, as do the various Islamic faiths, and both trace the belief to the books of the Old Testament and their Judaic roots. Fine, if people wish to believe that and choose to live that way themselves that is their right. But, if they believe that allowing women freedom to speak, and to choose their career, and even control their own bodies, is what is causing the "downfall of America" they are simply delusional.

By the way, about marriage and the "one body" thing: how about the body be divided right half/left half, and not head/uterus.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 62]

I am leaving for our church senior group Christmas dinner. Three of our couples have been married for over sixty years. Many others well over forty years. None of these women take the silent role you imply. None of the churches that I have been a member of have exhibited wives that fit your description. And, I have been a member in several different denominations and non-denominational. Your concept is a fantasy that is shared and reinforced in the world of liberalism.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Right, you believe that socialism is the answer. Everyone to suffer at the same level. C'mon, are really like that? Don't you compete for salary on your job?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Here is a very similar message from a different angle. American men need to man up.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/budget-bill-amnesty-conservatives-spine/2014/12/12/id/612663/?ns_mail_uid=38937452&ns_mail_job=1599427_12122014&s=al&dkt_nbr=klclaixc

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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[champu 1]

GeorgiaDon

***The author strikes me as a well-meaning...

[rant]This I have a harder time with. The author strikes me as a narcissist who wraps himself in the cloak of his religion in order to denigrate the capabilities, ambitions, and accomplishments of anyone who doesn't happen to have a pair of testicles. Perhaps I am overly sensitive to this malignant world view because I happen to live in the "buckle" of the "bible belt" and encounter it too often. I see not the ramblings of an honest nit-wit, but the ravings of a person who would impose their religion on all Americans (the "founding fathers/King James Bible crapola) but also use that to put themselves and their intellectually inbred kin in charge.

The "well-meaning" part was to say I'm sure things are going fine for him, he sees things like a perceived decline of personal accountability and sense of duty amongst men, and he honestly thinks it should be turned around for the betterment of society. The "rambling nit-wit" is because the piece is littered with anecdotes of his own upbringing and life and he doesn't really show the critical thinking skills to seperate wheat from chaff.

[RonD1120 62]

Christian leaders tend to speak in the first person, giving testimonials and tying them in to Scripture. We are just like that.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,594]

champu

The author strikes me as a well-meaning, honest, rambling nit-wit.

He's rambling and he's an nit-wit but she he's talking about beating the shut out if anyone that does behaves in a way he doesn't like but couches it in the vague, deniable phrase of 'taking into the woods' isn't well meaning and isn't honest, that's being a thug and a bully.

But who gives a shit, he said he only ever tried to jump his bike once and I go mountain biking and dirt jumping lads - ipso facto I'm much more of a real man than that snivelling pussy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,111]

>Three of our couples have been married for over sixty years. Many others well
>over forty years. None of these women take the silent role you imply.

Then be sure to be consistent and refer to their husbands as "Mrs."