kallend 2,147 #1 December 7, 2014 What comes of believing in invisible, supernatural friends. www.thespec.com/news-story/5165939-hamilton-family-left-corpse-upstairs-for-six-months-expecting-resurrection/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #2 December 7, 2014 With all that "faith" and "worship", why didn't this god dude answer their prayers? Why does he want so many people dead? What a dick! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #3 December 7, 2014 Ask Ron, the man for everything. He's multi-tasking, he will know. And if not, it will be easy for him to ask his lord. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #4 December 7, 2014 kallend What comes of believing in invisible, supernatural friends. www.thespec.com/news-story/5165939-hamilton-family-left-corpse-upstairs-for-six-months-expecting-resurrection/ Yeah, it's just like those knuckle draggers thinking that carbon taxes and windmills will stop hurricanes, droughts and floods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #5 December 7, 2014 The poor widow in the article suffered misguided and misunderstood love. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #6 December 8, 2014 I know, right? Well-renowned modern physicists like Artigas, Wheeler, Barbour, etc. all believing and in some cases actually writing about the existence of God. Such Foolishness. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #7 December 8, 2014 All this silliness based on a work of fiction written by people who never understood the world they lived in. Foolishness indeed. Sure gave some control over the populace though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #8 December 8, 2014 BIGUN I know, right? Well-renowned modern physicists like Artigas, Wheeler, Barbour, etc. all believing and in some cases actually writing about the existence of God. Such Foolishness. Do any of them refuse medical treatment because they believe that "God will heal them" if they pray hard enough? Do any of them leave corpses lay for rats to eat because they believe that their prayers will result in resurrection? I find it interesting that they sealed off the door and vents to keep the smell of the rotting body away from them. They didn't believe in God, they wanted a genie in a bottle. Or Santa. They aren't the first, probably won't be the last. Somewhat local to me (100 miles or so) a mom and dad let their daughter die from diabetes because they thought that their prayers would result in her being healed. Fortunately, they were convicted of reckless homicide. But at least they called for help as soon as she stopped breathing."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #9 December 8, 2014 I know, right? Some even use it as a code of morality, ethics & integrity. Next thing you know - people will actually write laws referencing a work of fiction or even have the President take an oath on one (or two as did Obama). Silliness. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #10 December 8, 2014 You'd think some of the history could possibly remind you of the ISIS behavior today. Although burning at the stake did take longer and was significantly more tortuous than lobbing off one's head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #11 December 8, 2014 WAIT!!! You trying to say there's no Santa?!?!??! Foolishness, I see him every year. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #12 December 8, 2014 See. That brings us full circle back to the topic. Isis; the Goddess of Health, Marriage & Wisdom was able to resurrect her husband/brother when he was murdered by using her magical skills to restore his body parts to life after having been strewn about the earth. So, it can be done. I'm in a mood tonight, huh? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #13 December 8, 2014 That was excellent! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #14 December 8, 2014 Well, first problem was the fools didn't use dry ice: http://frozendeadguydays.org/aboutfdgd "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #15 December 8, 2014 BIGUN I know, right? Well-renowned modern physicists like Artigas, Wheeler, Barbour, etc. all believing and in some cases actually writing about the existence of God. Such Foolishness. Well, there have been three players in the NBA who were shorter than 5'7". You can ALWAYS find outliers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #16 December 8, 2014 kallend ***I know, right? Well-renowned modern physicists like Artigas, Wheeler, Barbour, etc. all believing and in some cases actually writing about the existence of God. Such Foolishness. Well, there have been three players in the NBA who were shorter than 5'7". You can ALWAYS find outliers. Just like Newtonian physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #17 December 8, 2014 kallend ***I know, right? Well-renowned modern physicists like Artigas, Wheeler, Barbour, etc. all believing and in some cases actually writing about the existence of God. Such Foolishness. Well, there have been three players in the NBA who were shorter than 5'7". You can ALWAYS find outliers. I do not believe that science can disprove the existence of God; I think that impossible. And if it is impossible, is not a belief in science and in a God - a consistent possibility? Not long ago, I read an article with a poll wherein 40.xx% of physicists believed in God. However, it did not explain what type of God they believed in... Whether it was their father's God or a Spinoza form of God.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 December 8, 2014 QuoteI do not believe that science can disprove the existence of God; I think that impossible. Possibility or impossibility aside, I respectfully urge you to reject the popular, erroneous shifting of burden of proof. The burden is not to disprove the existence of spiritual existence; the burden is to prove it. As such, the absence of disproof of spiritual existence is not, even remotely or minutely, evidence or even suggestive of its existence. Quote Not long ago, I read an article with a poll wherein 40.xx% of physicists believed in God. So why do some well-educated people, including those in STEM fields, believe in spiritual existence? I tend to think that that's because indoctrination, especially indoctrination during the psychologically formative years of childhood, is an extremely powerful force to reckon with or, frankly even to reason with. Even a child raised by atheist parents is exposed every day to an environment (i.e., society at large) in which spiritual existence is presumed and constantly reinforced (and lack thereof is subject to intense and often coercive negative reinforcement). Add that to the fact that a side effect of human brains' ability to think abstractly is that mythology (or even simple supposition) can be perceived as reality. Put simply: I find fact that some doctors and scientists believe in God to be utterly unpersuasive as to anything other than the power and lasting effect of indoctrination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #19 December 8, 2014 Very good explanation, I believe that is the most erudite post on the subject of spiritual belief that you have posted.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #20 December 8, 2014 Therein lies the whole Ying/Yang of the matter. It's difficult for either side to disprove the other. As to "Indoctrination," I was raised Roman Catholic in a predominately Sicilian household. I have roots in the catholic church and now go more for the formality of tradition than spiritual guidance. I find it difficult to believe that there is NO complementary blend between the existence of a "God" and science. It's very difficult for me to believe in a "Zeus" type God than the quantum physical type God where, "If the human mind transcends matter to some extent, could there not exist minds that transcend the physical universe altogether? And might there not even exist an ultimate Mind?"Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 December 8, 2014 QuoteI was raised Roman Catholic in a predominately Sicilian household. Example of coercive negative reinforcement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 December 8, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteI was raised Roman Catholic in a predominately Sicilian household. Example of coercive negative reinforcement. Who determined this is negative? You? Oh ya, you got your "coercive negative reinforement" in law school Never mind"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 December 8, 2014 I've not the slightest doubt that Keith gets the joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 December 8, 2014 Andy9o8I've not the slightest doubt that Keith gets the joke. Jokes can be hard to catch here My bad"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites