Mystery Cell Towers: Solved (and you're not going to like it)

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Americans’ Cellphones Targeted in Secret U.S. Spy Program

WASHINGTON—The Justice Department is scooping up data from thousands of mobile phones through devices deployed on airplanes that mimic cellphone towers, a high-tech hunt for criminal suspects that is snagging a large number of innocent Americans, according to people familiar with the operations.

Source and complete article:
http://m.wsj.com/articles/americans-cellphones-targeted-in-secret-u-s-spy-program-1415917533?mobile=y

I haven't fully processed this yet, but I'm fairly certain I'm against it just on principle.

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[ryoder 1,590]

Here is a link that doesn't demand a login: http://online.wsj.com/articles/americans-cellphones-targeted-in-secret-u-s-spy-program-1415917533

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[D22369 0]

Hope they enjoy the dick pics I'm gonna take.

and some people wonder why we hate and fear our government...

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[normiss 897]

link that does actually work without a login


Triggerfish

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Damn it! WHY is this story behind the freakin' paywall at all?

Grrr...

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[ryoder 1,590]

normiss

link that does actually work without a login


Triggerfish

WTH???
My link *did* work, but now it is asking for a login.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 897]

stoopid cookies.

[Andy9o8 2]

I'm shocked that any of you guys are shocked. Orwell warned us about this before most of us were born. We've had pervasive government techno-surveillance capacity world-wide for 50 years. The US govt has been doing it domestically since the 1960s to spy on civil rights leaders Vietnam war protestors. And then there's post-9/11; and it's all been tricklin'-down to all the LEOs. What about this surprises anyone?

And surprise aside (so we don't just focus on that): do you think we can make it stop? Well, we can't. I remember the push back by the Church Committee and the Carter Administration against the government surveillance mentality and abuses that pervaded the Nixon Administration. The measures were weak, mostly just theater, and short-lived. They certainly died post-9/11. It's a genie, and it's never going back into the bottle.

[BIGUN 1,486]

We're not shocked; we're angry that each pervasive layer uncovered leads to additional layers. Every time someone uncovers surveillance on law-abiding citizens without a warrant; "they" become more emboldened to figure out ways to circumvent the 4th Amendment. It is an affront to our liberties and causes us to respect our "elected" officials even less.

We just saw a sweeping change in DC and around the country and the best that Harry Reid can come up with is, "The American public is telling us they want s to work together more." No. That's not what we're telling you. We're telling you we're tired of the government as status quo.

Personally, I don't think the change will occur until everyone realizes that a shift in party weight in DC is not the answer. All that does is shift the cronyism. Everyone thinks their representative is the best and what's needed is a complete changing of the guard in both houses.

As an Attorney, you know that genie CAN be put back in the bottle. All it requires is a cease & desist bill to pass the House & Senate along with independent oversight to ensure it not only stops; but that some overzealous power hungry turd doesn't start it back up again. "We" have to demand that.

We; the people have to make the change and demand that it stop. We can't just bury our heads in the sand, shrug our shoulders and say, "I don't care; I'm not doing anything wrong" or the "What are you afraid of if you're not doing anything wrong" mentality.

Get angry and get involved:

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/goal-5-stop-government-surveillance-americans

https://rally.stopwatching.us/

http://www.stopsurveillance.org/

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[normiss 897]

^THIS.

[Andy9o8 2]

Yours is certainly the right sentiment. And I agree with you that the best fights are perpetual. (Insert apt analogies here>____.) But as I noted above, I've been around long enough to have seen the history, and it's made me cynical... or at least realistic. So yes, we must keep fighting... just don't let the idealism and naivete of those who are younger and newer at it than we are turn it into complacency.

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Andy9o8

Orwell warned us about this before most of us were born.

Technical correction here; he was warning the citizens of England.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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***Orwell warned us about this before most of us were born.

Technical correction here; he was warning the citizens of England.

By "us" I was referring to all of modern humanity, who I presume he presumed would be his ultimate audience in the longer term.

[sfzombie13 324]

can i quote this?

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[BIGUN 1,486]

Sure. Thanks for asking.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[BIGUN 1,486]

Andy9o8

Yours is certainly the right sentiment. And I agree with you that the best fights are perpetual. (Insert apt analogies here>____.) But as I noted above, I've been around long enough to have seen the history, and it's made me cynical... or at least realistic. So yes, we must keep fighting... just don't let the idealism and naivete of those who are younger and newer at it than we are turn it into complacency.

Agreed. The next generation will take it as the norm if we don't teach them its not.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[BIGUN 1,486]

I do my reading in the mornings and came across this:

http://www.zdnet.com/six-ways-to-protect-yourself-from-the-nsa-and-other-eavesdroppers-7000016860/
Note: I checked my Location History on Google. Nothing. I turn on my phone's GPS when I need it and then turn it off. Unfortunately, WiFi and Bluetooth can also be used to pick up on your location.

Which had an embedded recommended reading of:

http://www.zdnet.com/an-america-without-privacy-7000014278/

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[kallend 2,150]

BIGUN

As an Attorney, you know that genie CAN be put back in the bottle. All it requires is a cease & desist bill to pass the House & Senate along with independent oversight to ensure it not only stops; but that some overzealous power hungry turd doesn't start it back up again.

Yeah, right. All those 3-letter agencies that operate in secret under the guise of national security are sure to comply

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[BIGUN 1,486]

There's only 17 of them.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[melch 1]

http://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/d5240_1_r.pdf

Chapters 2 and 3. At least for DoD. Law enforcement and FBI fall under different USC Titles and have different authorities.

[sfzombie13 324]

your post summed it up eloquently. i normally do not just take the thoughts of others, but in this case, you made it easy. i really wouldn't take it without permission, i just posted it on facebook, but i may put it in an article that i am writing. if you want me to use your real name, pm it to me. if not, it's getting attributed to "from an internet forum that i frequent". have a great weekend. i am enjoying hack3rcon5.

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kallend

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As an Attorney, you know that genie CAN be put back in the bottle. All it requires is a cease & desist bill to pass the House & Senate along with independent oversight to ensure it not only stops; but that some overzealous power hungry turd doesn't start it back up again.

Yeah, right. All those 3-letter agencies that operate in secret under the guise of national security are sure to comply

What was the difference between the Lusitania and the Zimmermann Telegram?

Anyhow, there is nothing new here. Anyone who has read "The Puzzle Palace" should not be even slightly surprised. The surprise would be if they WEREN'T doing these kind of things.

[jgoose71 0]

But, But, But,.....

Big government is our friend. They would never do anything to hurt us. It's all for your own safety.

So what's wrong with trading a few freedoms for better protection? The average american can't possibly protect himself. That is what government is for.

Please turn in your gun at the door.....

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[riggerrob 643]

Why is anyone surprised?
The CIA, FBI ... and a variety of "Other Governmental Agencies" have been flying "electronic intelligence" airplanes over Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc. for more than a decade.
Who do you think is paying for all those antenna-festooned King Airs?
More than a decade ago, Al Queda and the Taliban quickly learned that cell phone conversations were soon followed by Hellfire missiles or rude visits from men with black faces, stun grenades, flexi-cuffs, sand bags, embarrassing questions, and a variety of lethal weapons.

This latest revelation will only force criminals to adopt another form of communication.