I'm Not a Scientist

[kallend 2,144]

lawrocket

***Hi rocket,

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Abortion is a medical procedure.

And on an even larger scale, it is a societal issue.

You're acting like an attorney when he is losing: 'Hey, look over here.'

Yup, in its base definition it is a medical procedure. But, in a more far-reaching decision, it is a societal issue.

And, for me, the Supreme Court settled it long, long ago.

Jerry Baumchen

And like abortion, climate is not about the science so much as it is about the policy. It's a societal issue. With one side against the other side. And here each side will pervert and tist the facts for its own benefit.

The difference is that anti abortionists purvey fiction as fact, whereas climate deniers purvey fact as fiction.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

How's that polar sea ice, er, Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral looking?

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,144]

lawrocket

How's that polar sea ice, er, Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral looking?

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Well below the 30 year average.

From the link you provided: "Monthly October ice extent for 1979 to 2014 shows a decline of -6.9% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average."


Next.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

The scientists have called it a death spiral in the past. Does it look like a death spiral?

How's this year's hurricane season turning out? Or last season's? OR the season before that? Again, fewer Atlantic hurricanes is totally consistent with AGW theory due to predicted increase in wind shear. Problem is that the science itself has yielded to the narrative.

You yourself put a lot of focus on Arctic Ice over a few years. Not so much lately. Remember how ice is important because of albedo and there is a feedback that forms when ice is low, less albedo, warmer water, less ice, etc. MEanwhile, I said back then that oscillations are involved.

The Arctic ice appears to be recovering as much as Antarctic ice is flourishing. Something destroyed the feedback loop. Or, the feedback loop was predicted on an oversimplification of the systems involved.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,144]

A 6.9% decline per decade is a rather funny definition of "recovery".

Q: How does an attorney sleep?
A: First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.

Q: How many lawyer jokes are there?
A: Only one. The rest are true stories.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

A 6.9% decline per decade is a rather funny definition of "recovery".

Q: How does an attorney sleep?
A: First he lies on one side, then he lies on the other.

Q: How many lawyer jokes are there?
A: Only one. The rest are true stories.

I am glad you post regularly. Why? Because you represent (perfectly) the people Prof Gruber needs.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,100]

>The scientists have called it a death spiral in the past. Does it look like a death spiral?

No, because it's not a spiral - it's a pretty steady trend.

>The Arctic ice appears to be recovering as much as Antarctic ice is flourishing.
>Something destroyed the feedback loop. Or, the feedback loop was predicted on
>an oversimplification of the systems involved.

Or you are doing precisely what you attack others for doing - extending a two year trend in your head and claiming that must be the norm. Because it supports your politics. I am sure that the next year we have an ice minimum you'll go back to "but that's just ONE YEAR!"

[lawrocket 3]

Yes. And between 2004 and 2010, the US GNP grew, too. Forget about that so-called Great Recession.

Q: How does an alarmist engineer results?
A: The same way a denier does.

Q: How many miles per century is the 12k year trend for Northeasten US sea inundation?
A: About 1 mile per century. (Yes, 12k years ago, the coastline off New York was over 100 miles east.)

So, I can pull out another statistical trend to show how inundation is decelerating, even WITH glacial rebound. I could show that my brother is 23 years old and 6'4". I can demoinstrate a growth rate and say that even with his recent pause in gorth the trend in still enough to put him at 12 feet tall by the time he's 50.

I could demonstrate that we've just gotten an instrument to track the orbit of a comet. And since that instrument has been there, the comet's veloicity relative to the sun is increasing. By 2100, this velocity will be incredible considering present trends.

"But lawrocket," you might say, "we know that won't happen." I say, "yep. Las of physics are established. Climate? Yes, las of physics there, too. But once variables start coming in, it's a lot more difficult."

Laws of physics, prof. Ever study law?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,144]

lawrocket

Yes. And between 2004 and 2010, the US GNP grew, too. Forget about that so-called Great Recession.

Q: How does an alarmist engineer results?
A: The same way a denier does.

Q: How many miles per century is the 12k year trend for Northeasten US sea inundation?
A: About 1 mile per century. (Yes, 12k years ago, the coastline off New York was over 100 miles east.)

So, I can pull out another statistical trend to show how inundation is decelerating, even WITH glacial rebound. I could show that my brother is 23 years old and 6'4". I can demoinstrate a growth rate and say that even with his recent pause in gorth the trend in still enough to put him at 12 feet tall by the time he's 50.

I could demonstrate that we've just gotten an instrument to track the orbit of a comet. And since that instrument has been there, the comet's veloicity relative to the sun is increasing. By 2100, this velocity will be incredible considering present trends.

"But lawrocket," you might say, "we know that won't happen." I say, "yep. Las of physics are established. Climate? Yes, las of physics there, too. But once variables start coming in, it's a lot more difficult."

Laws of physics, prof. Ever study law?

See billvon's post.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dark-winter-cold-global-cooling/2014/11/16/id/607672/

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Climatologist: 30-Year Cold Spell Strikes Earth

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"Dark Winter" posits that a 30-year period of cold has already begun. Frigid temperatures, and food shortages that inevitably result, could lead to riots and chaos.

Casey tells Newsmax, "All you have to do is trust natural cycles, and follow the facts; and that leads you to the inevitable conclusion that the sun controls the climate, and that a new cold era has begun." Casey is president of the Space and Science Research Corp., an Orlando, Fla., climate research firm.

His new book debunks global warming orthodoxy. For over a decade, he reports, the planet's oceans have been cooling. And since 2007, the atmospheric temperature has been cooling as well.

"The data is pretty solid," Casey says. "If you look at the 100-year global temperature chart, you look at the steep drop off we've had since 2007, it's the steepest drop in global temperatures in the last hundred years."

So how can the media and scientific elites make a case for global warming when it's actually cooling?

Casey suggests climate-change theorists have simply wedded themselves to the wrong theory, namely, that global temperatures respond to the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

However
If you read further down in the arcticle, there is ice age alarmism
Seems climated predictors are closely related
Despite which side they are on

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,144]

John L. Casey, former space shuttle engineer, now a self-styled climatologist trying to scam money out of corporations.

Yep, a typical source for Newsmax.

mediamatters.org/blog/2010/05/15/hoft-runs-with-global-cooling-warning-from-scam/164798

Even climate skeptic Leif Svalgaard comments on Casey:

The 'Space and Science Research Center' and John Casey should not be relied on for valid research. I know of Mr. Casey and have checked his credentials and they are not legitimate. He has tried to recruit even me into his band of 'experts'. I would not place any value on the ramblings of the press release.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.