kallend 2,147 #51 November 15, 2014 IagoOK, if I understand correctly the main 'problem' with the 'broken' immigration system is: If Congress would just do its job there'd be no need for executive action. Hypocrisy in the extreme to do sweet F.A. for years and then whine that someone else picks up the ball and runs with it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #52 November 16, 2014 GeorgiaDonQuoteI'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what is actually broken with the system and what needs to be fixed. I keep hearing the rhetoric 'our immigration system is broken.' OK, fine. Someone explain to me what is broke, because I really don't know.There are very few ways to legally immigrate to the US: .... 4. A very limited number of green cards are awarded under a "national interest" designation. These are restricted to people who are at the very top of their field in science, sports, or the arts. For example, foreign athletes who are being "head-hunted" for inclusion in US Olympic teams can be admitted this way; Nobel prize winning medical researchers would be another example. .... Don I don't have a Nobel but that's how I got my green card. Reagan, Bush and Clinton each issued executive orders suspending deportations without a murmer of protest from the right. If Republicans had gone hair-on-fire berserk about any of these other recent presidents using their powers in nearly identical ways, they might appear less craven now. But at this point, the GOP’s argument appears to boil down to, “Other presidents can change immigration policy through executive actions, but Obama can’t.”... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #53 November 16, 2014 "Among the steps Republicans take in the Hispanic community and beyond, we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform. If we do not, our Party’s appeal will continue to shrink to its core constituencies only. We also believe that comprehensive immigration reform is consistent with Republican economic policies that promote job growth and opportunity for all.” ; RNC report, March 2013 Why, then, did they sit back and do nothing? Oh yes, because the Tea Party told them to.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #54 November 16, 2014 Quote Reagan, Bush and Clinton each issued executive orders suspending deportations without a murmer of protest from the right. The number of illegal immigration in the 1980s-1990's is NOTHING compared to today's immigration problem, thats probably why no one said anything about it back then. DUH! We have had a 207.6% increase since 1981..... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #55 November 16, 2014 Facts and numbers have no place in hysteria and panic man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #56 November 16, 2014 Also QuoteTea Party told them to Those wack jobs are irrelevant at this point. I see them as history thank god. I have personally met the husband of the husband and wife team that started the Louisiana tea party chapter, before and after it collapsed, and the husband is pretty much crazy. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #57 November 16, 2014 Anvilbrother Quote Reagan, Bush and Clinton each issued executive orders suspending deportations without a murmer of protest from the right. The number of illegal immigration in the 1980s-1990's is NOTHING compared to today's immigration problem, thats probably why no one said anything about it back then. DUH! We have had a 207.6% increase since 1981..... Did Article II of the Constitution change since 1980? If it was OK for Reagan and Bush to take executive action, then it's OK for Obama too. (Hypocrisy of the GOP notwithstanding).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #58 November 16, 2014 You were staying that the gop was ok then but not now and I showed why it was that way. So you couldn't argue the community's acceptance of immigration due to the two different situations that you yourself pointed out, so you switch to a legality argument? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #59 November 16, 2014 AnvilbrotherYou were staying that the gop was ok then but not now and I showed why it was that way. So you couldn't argue the community's acceptance of immigration due to the two different situations that you yourself pointed out, so you switch to a legality argument? It's always been a legality argument. The GOP and its lackeys in the right wing media have been complaining every time Obama issues an executive order that Obama is trashing the Constitution and is a dictator. nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/15/how-stop-obamas-unconstitutional-executive-amnesty insider.foxnews.com/2014/11/13/could-president-obama-be-impeached-giving-amnesty-illegal-immigrants Well, if he is, then he's in good company with Reagan and the two Bushes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #60 November 16, 2014 Anvilbrother You were staying that the gop was ok then but not now and I showed why it was that way. So you couldn't argue the community's acceptance of immigration due to the two different situations that you yourself pointed out, so you switch to a legality argument? I think he's a closet attorney.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #61 November 16, 2014 I understand that, but that is not what you said. You stated a position that it was politically acceptable by the GOP in the past when other presidents did it, but not Obama. QuoteReagan, Bush and Clinton each issued executive orders suspending deportations without a murmer of protest from the right. You were talking popularity, not legality......I gave a reason why it was more acceptable back then due to the difference in the immigration situation at the time not necessarily the president, and you then switched gears to it being a legal reason. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #62 November 17, 2014 GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep. www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #63 November 17, 2014 kallend GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep. www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #64 November 17, 2014 Ok another redirect...wow your on a roll tonight! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #65 November 17, 2014 He's defending the far right wingers. It's almost a surprise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #66 November 17, 2014 airdvr*** GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep. www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it. You've been on this forum since 2003. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #67 November 17, 2014 AnvilbrotherOk another redirect...wow your on a roll tonight! You've been on this forum since 2005. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #68 November 17, 2014 normiss He's defending the far right wingers. It's almost a surprise. "Fair and balanced"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #69 November 17, 2014 QuoteYou've been on this forum since 2005. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds. Since you asked I did a quick search and found most of these were from ME to YOU.....I guess you dont listen, and just sit back and spew the same thing over and over without taking anything in anyone is saying here.... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3827347;search_string=bush;#3827347 QuoteI like how you think since I hate obama im a republican and bush was my hero. I pretty much hate all of them. Im no hippie or anti-the man either. As stated above the country as a whole was mad as hell and wanted to get to the bottom of things so it would not happen again. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3827813;search_string=bush;#3827813 QuoteHere it is for you ....wait for it.... Bush was no where near the best president ever....was that good for you;). He was pretty much a tard but at the time I believed he could screw me over less than the others. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3827777;search_string=bush;#3827777 QuoteNot that you give a shit by the way you and kallend think im republican and play golf with George Bush just because im hammering on acorn, but I dont give a damn about dems or republicans or indepenents or effin purple people eaters from outer space. all I care about is my tax dollars and making sure people in charge do the right thing by what the MAJORITY of the people they work for want from them. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4224099;search_string=bush;#4224099 QuoteThere is fraud everywhere your just so butt hurt because it was bush and Cheney during their turn at the wheel. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4224618;search_string=bush;#4224618 QuoteAnd you don't listen, how many times do I have to tell you I wasn't a fanboy of bush! I basically don't like a single politician I have ever met. Except Ron Paul at the moment but I'm still researching his past. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4648900;search_string=bush;#4648900 QuoteMy point is obama is just as dumb as bush, and wont quit making the same mistakes, but you wont admit to that will you. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #70 November 17, 2014 Since you brought up the bush obama thing again, I will point you to this article from 2009. It listed the 7 worst things of the bush era, and obama commits or goes further than bush did. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/seven-most-horrible-things-about-bushs Quote 7. Bush politicized parts of the government that should be nonpartisan. From NASA to the Justice Department, professionals were forced out or silenced if they departed from the true Republican way. What was good for the Republican Party trumped what was good policy for the nation. Every administration is political to some extent, but the Bush administration took it too far. When Paul O'Neill was forced out at Treasury, it was clear that every major decision would be determined by Karl Rove's calculus. You dont have to go far to see this. Eric holder is a prime example. Quote6. Bush squandered the budget surplus. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Bush had a near-religious faith in the ability of tax cuts to deliver prosperity. Tax cuts were the panacea that would cure all ills. Economy too strong? Cut taxes. Economy too weak? Cut taxes. Stock market falling? Cut dividend taxes. Investment weak? Cut capital gains taxes. But tax cuts didn't make the economy stronger; they merely blew a big hole in the budget. Now, when we could really use that surplus to pay for the bailouts and the stimulus, it's gone. Who extended the bush tax cuts? Quote5. Bush comforted the comfortable and afflicted the afflicted. The Bush years were the ultimate test of trickle-down economics, the theory that says the government should favor the rich because the benefits will flow down to the rest of us. The results of that experiment are clear: We've had the weakest job growth since the 1930s. We've had the biggest increase in debt ever. We've had the highest share of national income going to profits since the 1920s. Income inequality has soared while our public and private investment has slowed to a trickle. Instead of building a fundamentally sound economy, Bush nurtured a Ponzi economy based on get-rich-quick schemes. Currently income inequality is the WORST it has ever been. Quote4. Bush rewarded incompetence. Because politics and personal loyalty were all that counted, Bush appointed incompetent people to vital jobs. He hired interns to run Iraq. He hired a horse expert to run the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He wanted to hire Harriett Miers to be a Supreme Court justice. Top jobs were reserved for sycophants, toadies and failures. Gen. Eric Shinseki, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Keith Alexander, Director of the NSA , Lois Lerner, Director of the IRS Exempt Organizations, Timothy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury. Last but not least Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General.... Quote3. Bush lied us into war. Every argument for war against Iraq was a delusion, and hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost as a result.Saddam Hussein was not responsible for 9/11 in any way. He was not a danger to the United States. The Bush administration ignored or dismissed mountains of evidence that showed that Saddam was not building an arsenal of chemical or nuclear weapons. Bush rushed to war without giving diplomacy or weapons inspectors a chance. Later, administration officials blew the cover of a CIA employee whose husband told the truth, and then lied about their involvement. It has never been proven that he purposely lied and any motives were factual. If so he would have been brought up on charges(not that they would have actually done anything like they usually do on contempt charges). If you can prove he did this without some round about reason that is made up, then I will lead the mob holding a pitch fork. Quote2. Bush has exposed himself to war crime charges. By his own admission, Bush authorized interrogation practices that are illegal under U.S. and international law. His administration at best looked the other way and at worst ordered prisoners at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib to be tortured. Not only is torture an immoral and heinous crime against humanity, it is ineffective in the fight against terrorism. Nothing has given Osama bin Laden more support than Bush's immorality. And our nation's reputation has been tarnished, possibly forever. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted that information gleaned from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him. Yep the same Osama that Obama took credit for killing by getting his location using the bush era tactics. Quote1. Bush weakened our democracy. Bush has embraced a theory of dictatorship. Bush, under Vice President Dick Cheney's guidance, encouraged an imperial presidency answerable to no one. Working with a complacent Congress, Bush gutted the constitutional checks and balances that are supposed to keep any part of the government from growing too powerful or too corrupt. In the name of an endless war against an amorphous enemy, he canceled our most fundamental rights of habeas corpus and the right to be free from unreasonable government spying. Obama is using his veto and executive powers to go around the system set up to provide checks and balances just like a dictator. I especially love the part about the article writer bashing bush for the government spying. We are facing the WORST level of government spying we have ever seen, and this is just the stuff we know about. You can say Bush set up this system with Homeland Security, but Obama could have changed that, but instead he hit the ball out of the park, and it is running wild just like Snowden has showed us. Bush and Obama were not perfect and set us back decades! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #71 November 17, 2014 AnvilbrotherQuoteYou've been on this forum since 2005. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds. Since you asked I did a quick search and found most of these were from ME to YOU.....I guess you dont listen, and just sit back and spew the same thing over and over without taking anything in anyone is saying here.... Lame - all of those were AFTER Bush was out of office and the hypocrisy of the right was being called. Easy to be ex-post-facto outraged once the hypocrisy has been called. Show us a post of yours showing outrage about Bush while he was in office.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #72 November 17, 2014 I'm sorry that when I started posting here I was only 23 years old, and he only had 3 years left. At 23 you really do not have a grasp on what's going on outside your love and play life, but at that time you had already perfected your GOP hatrid routine. To further emphasize the fact that you will not have heard from me on the bush issue while he was in office is that since the time I joined until bush was out I had a total of 73 posts in SC over his 3.5 years out of my 700+ total. I was new around here. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #73 November 17, 2014 Meaning what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #74 November 19, 2014 kallend****** GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep. www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it. You've been on this forum since 2003. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds. You speak your own truth. Hypocrisy, is yours.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #75 November 19, 2014 turtlespeed********* GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep. www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it. You've been on this forum since 2003. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it... HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds. You speak your own truth. Hypocrisy, is yours. Irony score 100% You've been on this forum since 2002. How many times from 2002 to 2009 did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
