What is so evil about requiring id to vote?

[kallend 2,131]

rushmc

*********Anecdote <> data. What happens in one shop is an anecdote.

There are 33 states in which anyone (citizen, alien, felon, loony) can go to a gun show and buy a gun at a private (non-licensed) table without an ID.

Maybe they can (and I would like to see your list of states and conditions when this can be done)

17 U.S. states require background checks at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, New York, Oregon, and Rhode Island. Four require background checks on all handgun purchases at gun shows: Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Six require individuals to obtain a permit that involves a background check to purchase handguns: Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, and North Carolina. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.

See, I can back up MY claims. You should try doing that sometime.

Cool

more states should NOT restrict the sale of guns by individuals

And of course other laws cover guns shows without specific guns show laws

Pretty much as I expected from you

Misleading info

More unsubstantiated claims from Marc Rush because he can't rebut the facts.

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[rushmc 23]

kallend

NOW THAT YOU'VE ADMITTED that I answered your question, how about you answer mine like you said you would:

So why don't YOU tell us exactly HOW the GOP's proposals will work to increase the fairness of elections.
By what % will fraud be reduced?
How many fraudulent votes will be prevented in each election cycle?
By what % will disenfranchisement be reduced?
How many people will be disenfranchised?
What is the overall effect on fairness?

Again
It is not about fairness

This is a bs tactic you use to alter the topic

It is about truing the vote

And in the end, you really do not care about fairness our you would not have hypocritical positions on different rights

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,131]

kallend

So why don't you tell us exactly HOW your proposal will work to increase the fairness of elections. By what % will fraud be reduced, by what % will disenfranchisement be reduced, and the overall effect on fairness.

BUMP.

Still awaiting your response, Chad/Anvil/Vinnie/whoever you are today.

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[rushmc 23]

Read your own post and then think (a bit)

Just because there is no law specifically regarding guns shows for some states, you mis-lead by infering that all 33 states would not have background checks performed to purchase a gun at one

YOUR data shows that this simply is not true

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,131]

rushmc

***NOW THAT YOU'VE ADMITTED that I answered your question, how about you answer mine like you said you would:

So why don't YOU tell us exactly HOW the GOP's proposals will work to increase the fairness of elections.
By what % will fraud be reduced?
How many fraudulent votes will be prevented in each election cycle?
By what % will disenfranchisement be reduced?
How many people will be disenfranchised?
What is the overall effect on fairness?

Again
It is not about fairness

This is a bs tactic you use to alter the topic

It is about truing the vote

And in the end, you really do not care about fairness our you would not have hypocritical positions on different rights

You said you answer my question when I answered yours. You admitted that I answered yours.

So stop weaseling and answer.

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[kallend 2,131]

rushmc

Read your own post and then think (a bit)

Just because there is no law specifically regarding guns shows for some states, you mis-lead by infering that all 33 states would not have background checks performed to purchase a gun at one

YOUR data shows that this simply is not true

Yet another unsubstantiated claim from rushmc.

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[rushmc 23]

kallend

******NOW THAT YOU'VE ADMITTED that I answered your question, how about you answer mine like you said you would:

So why don't YOU tell us exactly HOW the GOP's proposals will work to increase the fairness of elections.
By what % will fraud be reduced?
How many fraudulent votes will be prevented in each election cycle?
By what % will disenfranchisement be reduced?
How many people will be disenfranchised?
What is the overall effect on fairness?

Again
It is not about fairness

This is a bs tactic you use to alter the topic

It is about truing the vote

And in the end, you really do not care about fairness our you would not have hypocritical positions on different rights

You said you answer my question when I answered yours. You admitted that I answered yours.

So stop weaseling and answer.

THERE IS NO QUESTION TO ANSWER!!!!!!

You do not give a fuck if a gun buyer has an issue because of restrictions yet you think there should be none for voters

I have pointed out your hypocrisy over and over

I am NOT going down the bull shit bat crazy stupid path you with to divert to
Got it alone it you want to go there

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***Read your own post and then think (a bit)

Just because there is no law specifically regarding guns shows for some states, you mis-lead by infering that all 33 states would not have background checks performed to purchase a gun at one

YOUR data shows that this simply is not true

Yet another unsubstantiated claim from rushmc.

Look at you run

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,131]

You said you would answer my question when I answered yours. You admitted that I answered yours.

So stop weaseling and answer.

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[rushmc 23]

kallend

You said you would answer my question when I answered yours. You admitted that I answered yours.

So stop weaseling and answer.

Ask a real question and I will

Otherwise , this comment coming from the king of weasel is just plain funny

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,131]

You said you would answer my question when I answered yours. You admitted that I answered yours.

So stop weaseling and answer.

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[kallend 2,131]

Here's how the conversation went:

kallend wrote:
So why don't YOU tell us exactly HOW the GOP's proposals will work to increase the fairness of elections.
By what % will fraud be reduced?
How many fraudulent votes will be prevented in each election cycle?
By what % will disenfranchisement be reduced?
How many people will be disenfranchised?
What is the overall effect on fairness?

Marc replied:

As soon as you tell us the same for the second amendment

I replied:

Asked and answered previously - years ago

Marc replied:


Yes you did (JK comment - this was more than 24 hours ago, which gives context to Marc's "As soon as" statement)

So you acknowledged the question, said you'd reply when I answered yours, admitted that I had answered yours,
and are now WEASELING about it.

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[GeorgiaDon 379]

stayhigh

How did I buy my guns from Bass Pro? You don't have to be a citizen to buy a firearm.

Your post prompted me to check the actual law, and you are correct. It seems I was misinformed years ago when I inquired at a local gun shop. Permanent residents are legally allowed to purchase guns. People who are on non-immigrant visas (J, H, etc) may also possess firearms if they also have a hunting license. However they can't purchase a firearm unless they have been a resident of the state for at least 90 days, which means you can't come in as a tourist intending to hunt and plan to buy a gun here.

Apparently, though, it's not uncommon that gun dealers are misinformed and think they can't sell to any non-citizen.

All of that does not change the main point of my earlier post, which is that you have to show ID to prove you are legally allowed to buy a gun (analogous to registering to vote), but there is no legal requirement to show ID every time you use the gun (analogous to voting).

Don

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“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[kallend 2,131]

GeorgiaDon

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All of that does not change the main point of my earlier post, which is that you have to show ID to prove you are legally allowed to buy a gun (analogous to registering to vote), but there is no legal requirement to show ID every time you use the gun (analogous to voting).

Don

There are 33 states that provide a backdoor allowing purchase of a gun without showing an ID.

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[kallend 2,131]

jcd11235

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So why don't you tell us exactly HOW your proposal will work to increase the fairness of elections. By what % will fraud be reduced, by what % will disenfranchisement be reduced, and the overall effect on fairness.

He'll ignore those questions from you, too, I bet. Because he knows someone who needed a picture ID to do something once.

You were so right.

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[cvfd1399 0]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/18/justices-allow-texas-use-new-voter-id-law/

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Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election

Guess that temporary stay is just gonna have to stay a little longer....

[normiss 883]

That cannot be true. cvfd has already claimed to not being a cop.

Alter ego battles are funny.

[normiss 883]

Damn.
When I renewed (after having a license in this state since I was 15) I needed my birth certificate, 2 bills to my address, my social security card, AND my old license. Oh, DD-214 as well so I could get the veteran endorsement on the license.

[champu 1]

Some recent fun with ID, and it even involves the TSA so it's fun for everybody...

Last weekend my wife and I took a trip to NorCal. We had booked it on Southwest before we were married. My wife had already gotten a new drivers license, etc. so I called Southwest and said can you change her name on the reservation so that the boarding pass matches her ID. They said no, they could not do that, but told us to bring a copy of the marriage license that showed her maiden name.

So on our return trip, in SJC, the TSA guy looks at the boarding pass, looks at the ID and starts muttering, "No, nope, this isn't going to work." and says to my wife, "This isn't you."

My wife told him the flight was booked under her maiden name and pointed out to the guy that she had handed him, and he was holding, the marriage certificate underneath the boarding pass as we were instructed to do by the airlines. So he looks it over and says, "this doesn't have a photo of you on it."

They eventually did agree to let her through. I guess they were able to resolve their concern over who she claimed to be by administering a pat down.

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normiss

Damn.
When I renewed (after having a license in this state since I was 15) I needed my birth certificate, 2 bills to my address, my social security card, AND my old license. Oh, DD-214 as well so I could get the veteran endorsement on the license.

In Florida? When I left there five years ago, you could still renew online.

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[normiss 883]

Up to a point, you still can.
For some odd reason, it now appears every 8 years you need to prove you are who you are.

[Channman 2]

"I'm not sure there will be any changes in the near future."

Just landed after a very lengthy cross country and blew a tire, and while setting in the lounge I here that the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of requiring ID to vote in several states come November.

I think this is a good thing, well at least for Texas.

[okalb 104]

Channman

"I'm not sure there will be any changes in the near future."

Just landed after a very lengthy cross country and blew a tire, and while setting in the lounge I here that the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of requiring ID to vote in several states come November.

I think this is a good thing, well at least for Texas.

Instead of listening to what you "here", you might want to actually read something for yourself. That is not what happened in Texas. They did not rule in favor of requiring ID to vote. They ruled that it was too close to the election to change it now, so it would have to stand through the November election. It will be challenged and most likely ruled unconstitutional after November.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[rushmc 23]

okalb

***"I'm not sure there will be any changes in the near future."

Just landed after a very lengthy cross country and blew a tire, and while setting in the lounge I here that the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of requiring ID to vote in several states come November.

I think this is a good thing, well at least for Texas.

Instead of listening to what you "here", you might want to actually read something for yourself. That is not what happened in Texas. They did not rule in favor of requiring ID to vote. They ruled that it was too close to the election to change it now, so it would have to stand through the November election. It will be challenged and most likely ruled unconstitutional after November.

this is a stretch on your part
There have be a few rulings on this law going both ways

I think it will stand

but then, my forward looking skils are the same as yours probably

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,131]

It is clearly an attempt to deny the poor the right to vote. it's not like they even deny it.

“The Founding Fathers put certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote … one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community." ; Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips, 2010

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