Anvilbrother 0 #1 October 10, 2014 Why in the hell do people have an issue with a requirement to have an ID, and be registered to vote? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #2 October 10, 2014 AnvilbrotherWhy in the hell do people have an issue with a requirement to have an ID, and be registered to vote? Did you read the court's opinions in response to that argument? There's your answer. Ps. They are registered to vote. The ruling is about the IDs. Read it. Sorry, you lose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #3 October 10, 2014 What are you talking about man? I asked a simple question about requiring voter id and registration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #4 October 10, 2014 cvfd1399What are you talking about man? I asked a simple question about requiring voter id and registration. It looks an awful lot like someone forgot to log back in under their other username to reply!Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #5 October 10, 2014 No I share a personal laptop at work with a co worker who is is also a jumper and posts here due to social media restrictions on work computers. It's been discussed here Sherlock. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #6 October 10, 2014 AnvilbrotherNo I share a personal laptop at work with a co worker who is is also a jumper and posts here due to social media restrictions on work computers. It's been discussed here Sherlock. As long as you have a cover story!Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #7 October 10, 2014 You are about the most unpleasant person I have ever seen in these forums. I hope one day you can get that stick out of your ass that's causing you to be that way. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 October 10, 2014 AnvilbrotherYou are about the most unpleasant person I have ever seen in these forums. I hope one day you can get that stick out of your ass that's causing you to be that way. Personal attack . . . and you're gone. Cya for awhile. Chill out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #9 October 10, 2014 AnvilbrotherNo I share a personal laptop at work with a co worker who is is also a jumper and posts here due to social media restrictions on work computers. It's been discussed here Sherlock. It's news to me. I haven't seen any discussion about it, and I've been here a while. Just in case you log in under another name: It's an answer in search of a problem. And it disproportionately disenfranchises voters who tend to vote for the Democrats. The costs and efforts for some people to get an ID are burdensome. The people who don't have an ID (poor, minority & elderly) are most likely Democratic voters. The ones pushing this are Republicans. They have been caught privately admitting it's an attempt to stop these people from voting. The actual times this sort of voter fraud has happened is really, really, really small. The amount of voter fraud committed by people registering and voting in more than one location outnumber it by a huge amount. And that sort of fraud is still rare. And wouldn't be stopped by requiring ID."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kawisixer01 0 #10 October 11, 2014 I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 October 11, 2014 AnvilbrotherWhy in the hell do people have an issue with a requirement to have an ID, and be registered to vote? we've beat this topic to death many many times. And I know you were around, which certainly does make it more difficult to believe that cvd is a different person. Joe repeated all the main answers to your question. But frankly, my advise to everyone is to save your time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #12 October 11, 2014 kawisixer01I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. I rarely ever need my driver license. I use direct deposit and debit cards. I'm car-free. For better or worse, on the rare occasions I purchase alcohol, I don't usually get carded. And I don't use tobacco. I've never had any problem buying spray paint, super glue, or OTC meds without it, though I don't purchase those products in bulk. I use my license seldom enough that, if money was tight at renewal time, it would be a low priority expense. This summer was an exception. I went on a 3200 mile bicycle tour, and had an unusually large (for me) number of interactions with the police on the trip. I didn't need the license, since I wasn't driving, but it undoubtedly expedited the encounters. Even when I had to visit the ER, I suspect I would have been able to see a doctor even if I didn't have an ID. I have no intention of giving up my ID, but I often don't bother carrying it because it isn't necessary for day to day life. (I don't use a wallet, so I don't automatically have it with me.)Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #13 October 11, 2014 Well -just perhaps - most people DONT live like you?Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #14 October 11, 2014 kawisixer01I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. Nonsense. The only time I get asked for my drivers license is when boarding a domestic flight.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #15 October 11, 2014 Nothing is intrinsically wrong, as long as ID is automatically provided to all eligible citizens. Trouble is, that is NOT what is being done. And a bunch of GOP legislators and other high profile Republicans have admitted that the real reason is to suppress the votes of poor and minorities. www.bustle.com/articles/4325-north-carolina-sued-over-voter-id-law-as-republicans-admit-such-laws-target-democratic-voters... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #16 October 11, 2014 cvfd1399What are you talking about man? I asked a simple question about requiring voter id and registration. I'm talking, whoever you are, about the federal court ruling, reported in the news the same day "that other guy" started this thread, invalidating voter ID laws in Texas and Wisconsin. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=federal+court+voter+id Either this thread presumably was prompted by that ruling, or it's one hell of a cosmic coincidence that "he" decided, out of the blue, to rehash that well-flogged horse on that same day. Anyhow, the answer to the "OP's" question (at least that part that did not presume an incorrect fact) is found in the court's ruling. Read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #17 October 11, 2014 www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/early-voting-curbs-called-power-play/nTFDy/ www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoYWgGY4ADY#t=62... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #18 October 11, 2014 I know that in Texas there were people in west Texas where it was a multiple hour drive to get an ID. Elderly people who haven't driven in years only had expired ones and getting someone to drive them to a DMV to spend half a day in line trying to get one is a burden. Also a lot of women showed up to vote and there was a discrepancy between a married name and their original name between the voter rolls (which are not updated regularly) and the name on their drivers license and they weren't allowed to vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #19 October 11, 2014 faulknerwnI know that in Texas there were people in west Texas where it was a multiple hour drive to get an ID. Elderly people who haven't driven in years only had expired ones and getting someone to drive them to a DMV to spend half a day in line trying to get one is a burden. Also a lot of women showed up to vote and there was a discrepancy between a married name and their original name between the voter rolls (which are not updated regularly) and the name on their drivers license and they weren't allowed to vote. The federal court was blunt in speaking the truth when it called the Texas system "an unconstitutional poll tax." The urban analog to that is the proportionately large number of poor citizens, mostly black and Hispanic, who not only don't have driver's licenses (lessons, cars and insurance are too expensive, and there's no safe place to park a car at home), but have little real need for them because they're well (enough) served by city buses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #20 October 11, 2014 kawisixer01 I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. Shenanigans? Well then, I'd better get my broom To repeat: Elderly, poor and minority. They don't need ID at the bank or to cash their SS or pension check because they are well known where they do this. Alcohol & tobacco are the same (although many places don't card people over 60). No purchasing of a car - don't drive. Nor a house, either already have it or don't plan on buying one. No need for ID with a credit card, either don't have one, or are known where they use it. Personally, I have never been carded using my CC. Doctor's Office - No ID, just the insurance card. It's not the mainstream folks (who both need and have ID), it's the little old lady who not only doesn't drive, but has lived in the same neighborhood for 40+ years and knows everyone. She doesn't have an ID, she doesn't have her Birth Certificate, she doesn't have her marriage cert (needed to prove name change), she doesn't have a lot of this kind of stuff. And she doesn't have the money, transportation, or even knowledge how to acquire the supporting documentation. Recently, my 76 YO mom renewed her DL. They offered her the option of getting "enhanced" ID, but she would have needed a bunch of supporting docs. The one she couldn't find was the marriage cert. They needed it along with the Birth Cert to prove the name change. It was 55 years ago, in another state. She couldn't find her copy of it, and had no idea how to get it. I offered to help by contacting the county clerk there, but she decided she didn't need the enhanced ID, and later found her copy."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #21 October 11, 2014 mirage62Well -just perhaps - most people DONT live like you? That can be said about pretty much anyone. A lot of people have no need for an ID. It's not justification to withhold their right to vote.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,606 #22 October 11, 2014 kawisixer01I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. You must be a) one seriously sketchy looking motherfucker or b) resemble a 16yo if you're being asked for ID for all of that! I can't remember the last time I needed ID for anything except airports.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #23 October 11, 2014 kawisixer01I call shenanigans. Remove your ID from your wallet and try to function in society for a few weeks and let me know how that works out for you: getting money, getting alcohol or cigarettes, using a check, using your credit card, jumping at a new drop zone, buying a car, buying a house, walking down the street when some cop randomly wants to know who your are (Which tons of people ironically support forcing people to identify themselves even though there is no legal requirement for people to identify themselves when simply moving about in society), selling anything to a scrap yard or pawn shop, visiting a doctors office, receiving a package from a shipper, getting a new job, getting any kind of hunting or fishing license, buying super glue at wal-mart, buying cold/flue OTC meds when you are obviously sick at walgreens, purchasing spray paint at wal-mart to cover the winter rust on our trailer hitchm, getting on an airplane, getting a new library card, receiving your college transcripts ......and these are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head without much thought that I have recently been required to show my ID for. WOW! Glad I don't live in your neck of the woods. Most of that list is a joke. Receiving packages? I do have a case of wine coming Monday that I may have to prove I am 21 but I doubt it. I routinely get packages from DHL, Fed Ex, USPS, UPS and never show an ID(heck the deliver MEK, MEKP, acetone whatever I order. Some has special handling fees) Have not shown an ID in many years getting my Fishing and Hunting licenses. Nor buying paint(I buy lots of) or anything. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #24 October 11, 2014 jakeeYou must be a) one seriously sketchy looking motherfucker or b) resemble a 16yo if you're being asked for ID for all of that! I can't remember the last time I needed ID for anything except airports. I get carded when using a credit card at about the same rate I get carded when buying alcohol, which is about 50%. It's pretty common around here. I've never been randomly asked for ID by police. I've never been carded buying spray paint. I've been carded each of the few times I've purchased Claritin-D (because it contains psuedophedrine.) I've been carded for every flight, rental car, and hotel I can remember. It's ridiculous both to assume everyone else needs ID constantly because you do and to assume ID is barely necessary because you are rarely or never asked for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #25 October 11, 2014 Most people who don't have photo id to vote pretty much never fly, rent cars, stay in hotels or have credit cards. Broadly, that's kind of the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
