jcd11235 0 #26 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399On the next presidential election put it on the ballot, let the people vote and move the fuck on. cvfd1399Lets vote on it, state by state, or on a federal level BY THE PEOPLE, and quit letting these bullshit politicians and judges make all the rules. You realize that the Framers intentionally, and wisely, withheld such direct legislative power from the people, right? And putting it on the ballot at the state level is what caused much of the problem. Legislators make the laws. Judges interpret the laws. That's how it is, and that's how it was intended.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #27 October 7, 2014 I understand there is a system to handle the little shit issues by elected officials to not burden the nation in 1000 votes a year, but we have been debating this shit for far too long, and I don't see how it would hurt to finally have an election by the people and get it over with. The politicians can't get it don't in 20 or however many years it's time for us to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #28 October 7, 2014 >Who cares, make that figure 10-15-20-25%. It's still some silly shit to be >worrying about in 2014. Why are the governemnt the ones making the decision. Because the GOP is opposed to gay marriage; it's been one of their party planks for decades. They have been getting a tremendous amount of pressure to change, but it looks like they will have to wait for some of the party's more extreme members to either retire or die off before they make any progress on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #29 October 7, 2014 Vote on it, if it passes, it passes, if not then live with it. Why dodge a vote that might pass or fail just to cater to a fraction of the population. If it wins and the GOP or religious people are butthurt, fucking live with it, it's what the majority wanted. If it fails, then the other half has to live with it. I don't see how it's ok to do the run around for some issues, and not the others let the people vote, enough is enough. I would vote for it just to take it out of the media, and out of the presidential debates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #30 October 7, 2014 You're clearly not paying attention. We addressed abortion in 1973 and it's been legal since. Why do you hate your fellow citizens so much as to dismiss their concerns so easily? You have the right to get married and share and enjoy spousal benefits, why not someone else. It IS important to a great many people. They have as much right to be heard as you do. ouch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #31 October 7, 2014 We as a people do not get to vote for anything unconstitutional. BOHICA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399I understand there is a system to handle the little shit issues by elected officials to not burden the nation in 1000 votes a year, but we have been debating this shit for far too long, and I don't see how it would hurt to finally have an election by the people and get it over with. The politicians can't get it don't in 20 or however many years it's time for us to do it. Besides such a vote at the federal level being unconstitutional? The majority voting to withhold rights of a minority at the state level (in some states) is a big part of the problem. Such laws, even when duly passed by the people, are still unconstitutional, as courts have found (correctly, considering the SC's refusal to hear appeals).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #33 October 7, 2014 Doing simple work for you again... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/how-many-people-are-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-survey-gives-government-its-first-large-scale-data-on-gay-bisexual-population/2014/07/14/2db9f4b0-092f-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/21/how-many-americans-are-lesbian-gay-or-bisexual/ http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CGIQFjAL&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fnhsr%2Fnhsr077.pdf&ei=Hhg0VN29F8G2yATyl4CIDQ&usg=AFQjCNF4mVd_YHH4hPIirA-NzUP9bPtaPg&sig2=7rS6yypF2HY2Ypubuxk-nA&bvm=bv.76943099,d.b2U&cad=rja The point was not about the exact number... The point is we are wasting so much time and energy on a small majority of people for so long, that I believe the system has failed us all and its time to pass it and move on to things like the economy, healthcare reform, border security, jobs, government fraud, infrastructure repair, foreign relations, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399Vote on it, if it passes, it passes, if not then live with it. Why dodge a vote that might pass or fail just to cater to a fraction of the population. If it wins and the GOP or religious people are butthurt, fucking live with it, it's what the majority wanted. If it fails, then the other half has to live with it. I don't see how it's ok to do the run around for some issues, and not the others let the people vote, enough is enough. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the government of the USA is a democracy. It isn't, nor was it designed to be.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #35 October 7, 2014 I find it interesting you say you think it a horrendous waste of time....yet here YOU are....wasting time....about the same very subject. Wanting to yank someone's constitutional rights. Irony much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #36 October 7, 2014 Your clearly not paying attention, I diddnt say it was legal or not, I said its time to vote on it and put it to bed. Its not a dead topic, its one that clearly is still debated on.. http://www.sheknows.com/health-and-wellness/articles/974143/obama-vs-romney-what-they-think-about-abortion-and-planned-parenthood QuoteGet out your political boxing gloves and find your voting location, ladies. Women might determine who sits in the Oval Office for the next four years. QuoteYou have the right to get married and share and enjoy spousal benefits, why not someone else. It IS important to a great many people. They have as much right to be heard as you do. Yea no shit, that's why i've said about 3 times in this thread that we should pass all the gay equal rights laws and move on. You are the one that needs to pay attention. IMO all of this should be a legal personal choice, lets vote on it make it a law of majority wish, and move on to bigger and more important shit. If it does not pass, then ooh well I would accept that too. If you want to marry a guy or girl, what does it hurt anyone else. If you dont want that kid inside of you and the guy that put it there agrees, what does it hurt someone else to have an abortion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #37 October 7, 2014 QuoteWanting to yank someone's constitutional rights whos rights am I trying to yank? I agree with gay marriage and abortion it should be a persons choice, lets pass it and move on..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #38 October 7, 2014 >The point is we are wasting so much time and energy on a small majority of >people for so long, that I believe the system has failed us all . . . . The fact that we "waste" time and energy on the rights of minorities is one of the few signs our government is WORKING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399QuoteWanting to yank someone's constitutional rights whos rights am I trying to yank? I agree with gay marriage and abortion it should be a persons choice, lets pass it and move on..... sure seems like you're yanking our chains, here. As everyone keeps trying to point out, we did have votes - they mostly banned gay marriage. If we had just moved on, then the gays would have been SOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #40 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399Vote on it, if it passes, it passes, if not then live with it. Why dodge a vote that might pass or fail just to cater to a fraction of the population. Let's put this a different way. There are roughly 316 Million Americans. There are roughly 30,000 skydivers in America. If the Majority of Americans felt that skydiving was stupid and dangerous and they decided to vote to abolish skydiving, would you be ok with that? The founding fathers of this country went to great lengths to ensure that the majority would not be allowed to vote to take away the rights of the minority. Your entire concept of put it on the ballot and let the people decide is what got us to this point in the first place. Numerous states have put it on the ballot and the majority voted against gay marriage. It is then the responsibility of the courts to decide whether that majority vote is infringing on the rights of the minority. So far the courts have decided in favor of the minority (as they should). I understand that you feel that this is a waste of time, but you probably wouldn't feel that way if it were something that you cared deeply about. Go back to the skydiving analogy.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #41 October 7, 2014 Your [sic] not paying attention! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #42 October 7, 2014 So you've now simply changed from "put it to a vote" to "pass it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #43 October 7, 2014 Did you really reference Wikipedia to tell us how many gay people there are in the US? The answer is yes....yes you did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #44 October 7, 2014 Hang on....I'm changing the numbers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #45 October 7, 2014 QuoteSo you've now simply changed from "put it to a vote" to "pass it". No thats what I have been saying from the get go. From my first post in this thread QuotePass the shit and lets move on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #46 October 7, 2014 How about you debate the information, not the source. The wiki link was BASED on research from the williams institute. Are you suggesting that wikipedia users can alter research data cited by links directly to the williams institute in their articles? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #47 October 7, 2014 JohnnyMarko I never got that survey in the mail.......nor having I ever checked off "Gay as fuck" on a different survey, so your numbers are skewed... Tack on 0.0000000000000000000000001% to that bullshit percentage of yours That's a lot of 0s. Are you only a tiny person? Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #48 October 7, 2014 I think you need to Google Wikipedia. Maybe your first post, but you were happily interchanging "pass" and "vote" as if they mean the same thing. Whatever, leave people be and let them have the same rights as everyone. I don't understand the point of your posts at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #49 October 7, 2014 Ok I see. So however it needs to be done where its fair and square and all sides get their chance, lets do it and get the shit over with. Once again to keep it clear for those that are slow I would vote yes for it. According to this we have been fighting about gay rights for 63 years. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0761909.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #50 October 7, 2014 cvfd1399So however it needs to be done where its fair and square and all sides get their chance, lets do it and get the shit over with. That's exactly what's happening now. You know, what you're complaining about.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
