THIS, despite the media love fest with Obama

[mirage62 0]

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I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

And all you have to do is prove it and you will be one very popular person.

Personally I think they all suck.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[kallend 2,150]

mirage62

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I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

And all you have to do is prove it and you will be one very popular person.

Personally I think they all suck.

What we DO know (from the Congressional inquiry) is that the Bush administration was running its own private intelligence operation (try googling "Office of Special Plans") to make the case for the invasion, and that many of the statements made by the administration to justify the invasion (including major parts of GWB's SOTU address to Congress in January 2003) had NOT been approved by the CIA.

So the claim that Congress was being fed a load of bollocks by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is not an unreasonable interpretation.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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SkyDekker

The intelligence that the senate and congress based their decision on was faulty.

I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

I don't think congress and senate would have supported the Iraqi invasion if they were told that the US really had no clue if there still were WMDs and that if there were, they had no clue whatsoever where they were.

I never would have taken you for a conspiracy theorist.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rushmc 23]

kallend

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I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

And all you have to do is prove it and you will be one very popular person.

Personally I think they all suck.

What we DO know (from the Congressional inquiry) is that the Bush administration was running its own private intelligence operation (try googling "Office of Special Plans") to make the case for the invasion, and that many of the statements made by the administration to justify the invasion (including major parts of GWB's SOTU address to Congress in January 2003) had NOT been approved by the CIA.

So the claim that Congress was being fed a load of bollocks by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is not an unreasonable interpretation.

Even before Bush was even a candidate?

Gotta love your desperation

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kallend

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I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

And all you have to do is prove it and you will be one very popular person.

Personally I think they all suck.

What we DO know (from the Congressional inquiry) is that the Bush administration was running its own private intelligence operation (try googling "Office of Special Plans") to make the case for the invasion, and that many of the statements made by the administration to justify the invasion (including major parts of GWB's SOTU address to Congress in January 2003) had NOT been approved by the CIA.

So the claim that Congress was being fed a load of bollocks by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is not an unreasonable interpretation.

Neither is nanothermite.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,589]

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Even before Bush was even a candidate?

PNAC went back to 1997. Several members were high level Bush advisers (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld). They were sincere advocates of a military activist USA, and of regime change in Iraq. So yes, even before Bush was a candidate.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

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Even before Bush was even a candidate?

PNAC went back to 1997. Several members were high level Bush advisers (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld). They were sincere advocates of a military activist USA, and of regime change in Iraq. So yes, even before Bush was a candidate.

Wendy P.

wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[StreetScooby 5]

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How in the hell do you breath so high in the sky????

Through his skin, didn't you know that?

We are all engines of karma

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

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I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

And all you have to do is prove it and you will be one very popular person.

Personally I think they all suck.

What we DO know (from the Congressional inquiry) is that the Bush administration was running its own private intelligence operation (try googling "Office of Special Plans") to make the case for the invasion, and that many of the statements made by the administration to justify the invasion (including major parts of GWB's SOTU address to Congress in January 2003) had NOT been approved by the CIA.

So the claim that Congress was being fed a load of bollocks by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is not an unreasonable interpretation.

Even before Bush was even a candidate?

Gotta love your desperation

Desperation is trying to claim that conditions in the middle east are static and unchanging from year to year. We KNOW that Saddam had WMDs in the 20th Century, because Reagan/Bush with help from Rumsfeld sold them to him.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran

However, this discussion concerns lies and deceit from GWB and Co. to both Congress and the American people in 2003; a time when the administration was running its own private intelligence operation.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***The intelligence that the senate and congress based their decision on was faulty.

I personally believe that was not an accident or a mistake. I think it was made clear that only intelligence supporting invasion was to be produced.

I don't think congress and senate would have supported the Iraqi invasion if they were told that the US really had no clue if there still were WMDs and that if there were, they had no clue whatsoever where they were.

I never would have taken you for a conspiracy theorist.

You could label it such.

The other side of the coin is that the intelligence and defence industry the US spends billions if not trillions of dollars on is a complete and utter failure, operated by clueless idiots. I guess I am willing to give your fellow Americans a bit more credit. Sorry to see you don't.

[jakee 1,596]

rushmc

wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

***wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress, but not Bush

Got it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

******wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress, but not Bush

Got it




Denial is not just a river in Egypt, Mark.

There is absolute proof that GWBush & Co created their own intelligence and fed it to Congress.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the WMDs Saddam had in the 1990s were supplied by Reagan & Co.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress, but not Bush

Got it




Denial is not just a river in Egypt, Mark.

There is absolute proof that GWBush & Co created their own intelligence and fed it to Congress.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the WMDs Saddam had in the 1990s were supplied by Reagan & Co.

Lets see
In the last week you have used the river comment
Twice the moonies comments

Your on an adult role this week John

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,596]

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So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress,

Be more specific.

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but not Bush

Bush set the direction for the intelligence agencies.

Look at it this way: when the IRS audited Republican campaign groups it was supposedly a conspiracy direct from Obama. Yet when the CIA came up with bad (like, elementary school bad) intelligence that perfectly supported Bush's desired action against Iraq that was a coincidence?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Yet when the CIA came up with bad (like, elementary school bad) intelligence that perfectly supported Bush's desired action against Iraq that was a coincidence?

Not only that...but when it turned out that the intelligence was that bad, the Republicans in charge at the time didn't advocate cutting funding, because it wasn't working. No, they threw a couple of billion more onto the pile.

Which off course is the exact opposite of what they normally advocate: cut funding on those government entities/projects that do not work.

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jakee

***wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So, short of invading and confirming that, how do you know this? We know the evidence presented to support the claim they still existed was a dog and pony show (and everyone in Congress knew it), but the lack of evidence is not proof either.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

kelpdiver

******wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So, short of invading and confirming that, how do you know this? We know the evidence presented to support the claim they still existed was a dog and pony show (and everyone in Congress knew it), but the lack of evidence is not proof either.

Pretty sure the UN delegation had a hard time finding them.

[jakee 1,596]

kelpdiver

So, short of invading and confirming that, how do you know this? We know the evidence presented to support the claim they still existed was a dog and pony show (and everyone in Congress knew it), but the lack of evidence is not proof either.

You know Hans Blix wasn't just a character in Team America, right?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,150]

rushmc

************wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress, but not Bush

Got it




Denial is not just a river in Egypt, Mark.

There is absolute proof that GWBush & Co created their own intelligence and fed it to Congress.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the WMDs Saddam had in the 1990s were supplied by Reagan & Co.

Lets see
In the last week you have used the river comment


Appropriately, since it applies perfectly to you.

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Twice the moonies comments

Also appropriately, since you PLAGIARIZED the text in one of your OPs from the Washington Times.

The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet published in Washington, D.C., United States. It was founded in 1982 by the founder of the Unification Church, Sun Myung Moon

I'm sure if I repeatedly plagiarized from Mother Jones you would call me on it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***************wow
so even the clintons were suckered in

Things change.

During Bush 1's presidency Iraq definitely had WMD.

During some of Clinton's presidency Iraq prabably still had or were attempting to make WMD.

By Bush 2's presidency did they have any viable weapons? No.

So you, like kallend, will give a pass and dismiss the lies of all the other in congress, but not Bush

Got it




Denial is not just a river in Egypt, Mark.

There is absolute proof that GWBush & Co created their own intelligence and fed it to Congress.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the WMDs Saddam had in the 1990s were supplied by Reagan & Co.

Lets see
In the last week you have used the river comment


Appropriately, since it applies perfectly to you.

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Twice the moonies comments

Also appropriately, since you PLAGIARIZED the text in one of your OPs from the Washington Times.

The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet published in Washington, D.C., United States. It was founded in 1982 by the founder of the Unification Church, Sun Myung Moon

I'm sure if I repeatedly plagiarized from Mother Jones you would call me on it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

SkyDekker

Pretty sure the UN delegation had a hard time finding them.

indeed. On several occasions they encountered guns pointed their way. blocking the inspections. On two occasions we launched cruise missile attacks in retaliation.

[jakee 1,596]

kelpdiver

On two occasions we launched cruise missile attacks in retaliation.

In 2002/3?

You sure about that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi rush,

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You have sunk to a new low.

In the words of Jos. Welch: "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_N._Welch

It is truly pathetic,

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 3,120]

>You know Hans Blix wasn't just a character in Team America, right?

That was Hans Bwix. They are often confused.