First Ebola Diagnosis in US

[cvfd1399 0]

Bullshit they even have a Facebook page!
https://www.facebook.com/purple.unicorns11

[jakee 1,595]

cvfd1399

You can't support that it doesn't do what I said,

That's a truism I explained this before, it was very simple:

If there is some legislation that says what you claim you can prove it by finding it. If there is no legislation that says what you claim, I cannot prove it by not finding it. The ball is in your court.

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so I don't believe what you say either....

So far you have not provided any evidence of any overturned or quashed legislation that says what you claim. All you have shown so far is that your memory of the circumstances was faulty. So, without evidence, why should anyone accept that your memory of the contents is accurate?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,148]

jakee

***You can't support that it doesn't do what I said,

That's a truism I explained this before, it was very simple:

If there is some legislation that says what you claim you can prove it by finding it. If there is no legislation that says what you claim, I cannot prove it by not finding it. The ball is in your court.

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so I don't believe what you say either....

So far you have not provided any evidence of any overturned or quashed legislation that says what you claim. All you have shown so far is that your memory of the circumstances was faulty. So, without evidence, why should anyone accept that your memory of the contents is accurate?

Well, maybe your not not finding it proves that he's wrong, using his own logic.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,595]

Ah no, you see, I'm not not not finding it. I'm simply not finding it

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[cvfd1399 0]

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2005/11/20051123100559cmretrop0.6209986.html#axzz3FV7HVGxW

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Responding to the threat of pandemic influenza, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is proposing new regulations to expand its powers to act rapidly when passengers arriving in the United States might be carrying communicable diseases.

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today proposed critical updates to existing regulations that will allow the agency to move more swiftly to control a potential outbreak of disease that may result when a sick passenger arrives in the United States via commercial airline or ship.

Sound proactive to me.....

http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/r051122.htm

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today proposed critical updates to existing regulations that will allow the agency to move more swiftly to control a potential outbreak of disease that may result when a sick passenger arrives in the United States via commercial airline or ship. The new proposed regulations are being published in the Federal Register for public comment.

“CDC is committed to protecting health by preventing the introduction of communicable diseases into the United States,” said CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding. “These updated regulations are necessary to expedite and improve CDC operations by facilitating contact tracing and prompting immediate medical follow up of potentially infected passengers and their contacts.”

The changes are designed to ensure that CDC has the tools in place to respond to any public health threat that may emerge. Key updates to existing regulations include:

Expanded reporting of ill passengers on board interstate flights as well as airline flights and ships arriving from foreign countries,
Requirements that ships and airline flights arriving from foreign countries and certain interstate flights maintain passenger and crew lists and submit lists electronically to CDC upon request,
Explicit due process provisions for persons subject to quarantine.

Most public health actions are voluntary because ill and infected travelers often understand the importance of keeping themselves separated from others and remaining in a safe location where they receive care. CDC’s quarantine authority generally would only be used if someone posed a threat to public health and refused to cooperate with a voluntary request.

In 2003, CDC experienced a number of challenges in contacting airline passengers who may have been exposed to SARS during travel. Building on the SARS experience, CDC began increasing the number of quarantine stations and enhanced the training and response capacity of all staff. In addition, work began after the outbreak was controlled to evaluate and analyze what changes were necessary in federal regulations to modernize control of communicable disease and quarantine regulations. Existing communicable disease regulations are outdated, have not kept up with advances in disease control measures and have not been substantially updated for over 25 years.

The Public Health Service Act authorizes HHS to make regulations to prevent the introduction, transmission, and spread of communicable diseases into the United States and from one state or possession into any other state or possession. A communicable disease is one that can pass from a person or animal to another person. CDC protects Americans’ health by contacting individuals who may have been exposed to a communicable disease and recommending appropriate treatments, or through public health actions including isolation and quarantine. HHS is empowered to prevent persons who are believed to have one of nine specific communicable diseases from entering the country through the use of isolation and quarantine. Pandemic influenza is one of these nine diseases. Cholera, diphtheria, infectious tuberculosis, plague, smallpox, yellow fever, viral hemorrhagic fevers and SARS complete the list. CDC carries out these regulations, which can be found at 42 CFR Parts 70 and 71.

The proposed regulations are available for a 60-day public comment period at www.regulations.gov and CDC and HHS encourage the public, industry, and other stakeholders to review and comment on the proposed update.

To bad the actual legislation isn't online because it was not put to action, and the comment period has expired so the transcript is gone...

[jakee 1,595]

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regulations that will allow the agency to move more swiftly to control a potential outbreak of disease that may result when a sick passenger arrives in the United States via commercial airline or ship.

Sounds like not what you said to me.

And then this bit;

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Expanded reporting of ill passengers on board interstate flights as well as airline flights and ships arriving from foreign countries,
Requirements that ships and airline flights arriving from foreign countries and certain interstate flights maintain passenger and crew lists and submit lists electronically to CDC upon request,
Explicit due process provisions for persons subject to quarantine.

Sorta sounds like exactly what I said and not what you said, huh?

And then given that this was the rationale;

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In 2003, CDC experienced a number of challenges in contacting airline passengers who may have been exposed to SARS during travel.

It kinda sounds like the proposed requirement for creation and maintenance of contact lists was for exactly the reason I said, so they could retroactively contact people.


So congratulations, you've got nothing that specifically supports the existence of the provisions you thought were in there, and a whole load of indications that they weren't there. And by pursuing this proposed legislation you're admitting that your assertion that there was existing legislation that was cancelled by an executive order aimed at the Mexican border was bullshit.

So... do you want to give it a rest yet?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

cvfd1399

I can't believe you are against a system that would help stop someone from coming to the us with Ebola and possibly infect somone you love.

personally I'd worry more that my loved one would be stuck there next to potential carriers and all the mosquito borne diseases that Africa is famous for. Compare the number of malaria cases versus ebola.

[cvfd1399 0]

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assertion that there was existing legislation that was cancelled by an executive order aimed at the Mexican border was bullshit.

First off I never asserted that what I was talking about was exact.. I even said I would have to find it. 75% of what I was talking about I found for you. Who cares that it wasnt related to the border, that was insignificant details pertaining to ebola, the main point was about the cdc proposal that got nixed.

What it boils down to is I stated there was something in 2011 that could have prevented this, or helped track him down faster that was crushed by obama, you called bullshit, I found it, now you want to nit pick what I said.

Get over it. You act like you remember word for word everything you have ever read or heard.

[billvon 3,116]

>What it boils down to is I stated there was something in 2011 that could have
>prevented this, or helped track him down faster that was crushed by obama,

"Obama did away with a travel restriction in 2011 that would lock down entry points to travel from people in such places. Look it up it was one of his executive orders. It was bundled together with a bunch of other stuff that he wanted to get rid of to ease Mexican border entry requirements, but now seems to have bitten us in the ass."

So to sum up, it didn't lock down entry points and wasn't an executive order and it didn't have anything to do with the Mexican border.

But the "blame Obama" part is the same at least. Par for the course.

[cvfd1399 0]

Ok fuck me yea I diddnt remember it exactly, but my intent was to tell you guys about that bit of information. There was no malicious intent it's just how I remembered it. I found it and clarified what I said. From now on I will only post 27 links of the same thing just to satisfy the need to not to be bitched at. Fuck I thought this place was to discuss things, not fucking drop links consisting of 1000% hard facts.

It stil remains i fucked up and diddnt remember it right but the truth is the cdc proposal was nixed by Obama in 2011 is what I was referring to. Fuck this place...

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

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I can see reasons why people would look to a president regarding an infectious disease. The NRA? That's like blaming Planned Parenthood for the ozone hole.

The president is a lawyer. I see no reason that ANY lawyer is any more of an authority on infectious disease than the NRA.

Present company included.

Really? Not even those with dual degrees?
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[kelpdiver 2]

cvfd1399

Ok fuck me yea I diddnt remember it exactly, but my intent was to tell you guys about that bit of information.

queue up Bruce Campbell in Army of Darkness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VtcOCHePB4

[jakee 1,595]

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First off I never asserted that what I was talking about was exact.. I even said I would have to find it. 75% of what I was talking about I found for you. Who cares that it wasnt related to the border, that was insignificant details pertaining to ebola, the main point was about the cdc proposal that got nixed.

What it boils down to is I stated there was something in 2011 that could have prevented this, or helped track him down faster that was crushed by obama, you called bullshit, I found it, now you want to nit pick what I said.

You haven't found anything that you were looking for.

You specifically claimed that there was an Executive order. You were wrong.

You specifically claimed that whatever was 'nixed' was to do with letting more immigrants through the border.

You continuously claimed (and this really was your main point which you were extremely persistent over) that it was about stopping people entering the country if they had travelled to at risk areas. That was the entire thrust of your claim. You were wrong.

You're now saying that what you've found would have helped track him faster (something you dismissed upthread as a 'booty call'). Well guess what, you're wrong. He was not symptomatic on the flight over. No-one else on the flight over was, or became, symptomatic. No-one would have been looking for him because in that reality, just like this one, no-one knew he was ill.

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Get over it. You act like you remember word for word everything you have ever read or heard.

I act like when I think I remember something and it turns out I don't, I admit I was wrong.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,595]

cvfd1399

It stil remains i fucked up and diddnt remember it right but the truth is the cdc proposal was nixed by Obama in 2011 is what I was referring to...

....Which wouldn't have changed the current situation in any way.

Well done. That's all you had to say.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[lawrocket 3]

It's being reported that Ebola guy in Dallas is dead.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[tbrown 26]

lawrocket

It's being reported that Ebola guy in Dallas is dead.

Yeah, he died this morning. Now they're trying to figure out what to do with the body. Absolutely clueless, like nobody considered the "what if" that he might not pull through. CDC says cremation without delay is best, with the body removed in double leak proof body bags. But from what I'm reading, they're sitting on their thumbs, waiting for guidance from heaven only knows where.

I sure hope the family and hospital staff will be alright, I'd hate to hear that any of them got sick from this.

I might also suggest that Texas doesn't sound like a very good place to get Ebola...

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[jcd11235 0]

tbrown

CDC says cremation without delay is best, with the body removed in double leak proof body bags. But from what I'm reading, they're sitting on their thumbs, waiting for guidance from heaven …

That sounds like Texas.

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[billvon 3,116]

>I might also suggest that Texas doesn't sound like a very good place to get Ebola...

Perhaps, although there is probably no good place to get it.

[Bolas 5]

lawrocket

It's being reported that Ebola guy in Dallas is dead.

While unfortunate for his family, had he survived many more may have selfishly tried what he did putting untold others at risk.

News of his death should be spread far and wide in Liberia and other African countries that breaking the laws, health procedures, and quarantines to get to the U.S. does not save you.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Yes I am sure it will stop the steady influx of ebola patients.

How much money should be spent on this PR campaign?

[kelpdiver 2]

Bolas

News of his death should be spread far and wide in Liberia and other African countries that breaking the laws, health procedures, and quarantines to get to the U.S. does not save you.

Might need to kill the others then.

[Andy9o8 2]

Patients have died in Spain, too. But one's odds are still better in a First World hospital than by staying in Africa. And perception is everything, especially among the poorly informed and the desperate. The genie's already out of the bottle.

[Bolas 5]

kelpdiver

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News of his death should be spread far and wide in Liberia and other African countries that breaking the laws, health procedures, and quarantines to get to the U.S. does not save you.

Might need to kill the others then.

You mean the US citizens that were diagnosed prior to entering the country so precautions were made and treatment started upon arrival? The majority of us on here thought that was a bad idea too.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[jakee 1,595]

I must have missed the poll.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,116]

>How much money should be spent on this PR campaign?

"Whatever it takes to save American lives." (Unless it's due to obesity, or heart disease, or cancer, or handgun accidents, or good ol' domestic diseases.)