mirage62 0 #76 September 30, 2014 Hence my recent change of views about gun laws. Fact is the police have every right to be afraid. John, being a cop in England (?) had to worry for the most part about getting his ass kicked - hell I bet he didn't weigh 130!! He didn't generally have to worry about the thugs being armed. Having the right to a weapon is that - a right but w that right comes a responsibility. I've come to believe that we have let the right triumph the responsibility. Ultimately we have to find a way to lower the amount of guns in the wrong hands. Strict laws that put people in jail for a long time when they use a gun may work (?) "but we the people" need to be willing to pay for it. No matter what it w take time and of course the far right and far left want a simple answer. "Everybody has a gun" "no one has a gun"Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #77 September 30, 2014 This one needs to go too The one at the end of the piece that wishes she had killed him before he went crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #78 September 30, 2014 Wow. Don't know the details but probably should not have said that given the current climate. If only the precogs would have told her That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #79 September 30, 2014 normiss This one needs to go too The one at the end of the piece that wishes she had killed him before he went crazy. Yes...that's pretty far out there on the part of the LEO.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #80 September 30, 2014 normiss This one needs to go too Unbelievable The one at the end of the piece that wishes she had killed him before he went crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #81 October 1, 2014 QuoteWhen this is what could happen to you every day at your job, you could make that mistake too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5qDRDPI2xQ The movement in this video is exactly like the one above. Actually, it's not. The criminal with the gun is much calmer and more measured than the guy getting his licence. He could even have been saying "Ok officer, I'm just getting my lic-bang-bang-bang." So what's the answer - it's reasonable to shoot anyone that reaches back into their car? Handcuff them first and then get their licence for them, on a seatbelt violation? Honestly, it's amazing that you guys think this shit is normal.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #82 October 1, 2014 And where do you live exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #83 October 1, 2014 jakee Honestly, it's amazing that you guys think this shit is normal. Even more so that it seems to be acceptable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #84 October 1, 2014 They don't teach flags in 'murca?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #85 October 1, 2014 Guess the do teach sarcasm over there. So tell me this have you ever lived in America for any length of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #86 October 1, 2014 cvfd1399Guess the do teach sarcasm over there. So tell me this have you ever lived in America for any length of time. Why would you want to? You can get shot for doing what a police officer is telling you to do. On top of that, many seem to think that is ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #87 October 1, 2014 SkyDekker***Guess the do teach sarcasm over there. So tell me this have you ever lived in America for any length of time. Why would you want to? You can get shot for doing what a police officer is telling you to do. On top of that, many seem to think that is ok. I would think, more so on the conservative side."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #88 October 1, 2014 Quote Honestly, it's amazing that you guys think this shit is normal. What I find interesting is that my friends from England and Canada try so hard to frame this whole police shootings as it would be in their country. It isn't England or Canada.... and it isn't the same. The police here are NOT generally dealing with what your police are as far as armed bad guys. You can talk about gun control (I'd agree in some manner), you could talk about better training (I'd agree in some manner) But the current FACT is that in America our police deal often with armed thugs who are more than willing to use a weapon - and dear Canada and England don't as a rule. America has problems, no doubt....guns are a big part, that situation leads to police officers making tragic mistakes - being human they don't want to die. As a % the number of "bad cops" are fairly low.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #89 October 1, 2014 Then why are they killing so many innocent people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #90 October 1, 2014 mirage62Quote Honestly, it's amazing that you guys think this shit is normal. What I find interesting is that my friends from England and Canada try so hard to frame this whole police shootings as it would be in their country. It isn't England or Canada.... and it isn't the same. The police here are NOT generally dealing with what your police are as far as armed bad guys. You can talk about gun control (I'd agree in some manner), you could talk about better training (I'd agree in some manner) But the current FACT is that in America our police deal often with armed thugs who are more than willing to use a weapon - and dear Canada and England don't as a rule. America has problems, no doubt....guns are a big part, that situation leads to police officers making tragic mistakes - being human they don't want to die. As a % the number of "bad cops" are fairly low. Your point is entirely valid, however... Until enough people in your country refuse to accept the situation and demand effective change, nothing will. For me at least, that's the part of this I have difficulty understanding. The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict. (Martin Luther King, Jr.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #91 October 2, 2014 QuoteAmerica has problems, no doubt....guns are a big part, that situation leads to police officers making tragic mistakes - being human they don't want to die. As a % the number of "bad cops" are fairly low. WHich will lead to greater resistance against police officers, which will lead to more force and a higher level of force projected by police, which will lead too... And the circle goes on and on. Looks like the side effects of all this freedom leads to a large amount of violence to contain these freedoms, which leads to more violence to protect freedoms, which leads to even larger violence to contain the freedoms, which leads to... Could the "AMerican Model" be flawed? Maybe the Founding Fathers had it wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #92 October 2, 2014 Let's remember that this all started with a seatbelt violation. Things like this can't escalate into shooting. Sure, any time a cop pulls someone over it could mean dealing with a felon dodging a warrant but this was just a jumpy normal citizen."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #93 October 2, 2014 http://www.storyleak.com/cop-pulls-gun-elementary-school-kids-building-tree-fort/ No shots fired here but still appalling. Maybe this was on here when it happened. If so sorry. These kids were playing in there own back yard That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #94 October 2, 2014 Ask no questions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #95 October 2, 2014 craddockhttp://www.storyleak.com/cop-pulls-gun-elementary-school-kids-building-tree-fort/ No shots fired here but still appalling. Maybe this was on here when it happened. If so sorry. These kids were playing in there own back yard In that article this story was mentioned, nice to see some communities do get it right!!! http://www.click2houston.com/news/caught-on-camera-rosenberg-police-officer-plays-catch-with-boy/24004536 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
