The War on "Terror"......

[baronn 111]

So now that the US War machine has done its job in Iraq and Afghanistan, it needs a new target to justify its existence. Enter ISIS. Or ISIL. Or whatever alphabet Terror group that the alphabet "Good Guys" are going come up with next. And of course, the US can't directly get involved, so we need to train (and arm) the Syrian rebels to fight this menace. This will empower the NEXT Terrorist group to be created so when we piss them off (as it ALWAYS happens, ie, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, etc...), they can become the next alphabet organization to be defeated. Hence the real reason for this action is to continue the "War on Terror" against an unknown, often unseen, seemingly undefeatable enemy continues. Insanity on a whole new level.....

[JohnMitchell 16]

I'm guessing this should be in SC, but you raise some great points. I don't think there's a chance in hell of a secular democracy finding fertile ground in any of those countries.

[quade 4]

I'm sure you think you've discovered something new, but we have always been at war with Eastasia.

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[RonD1120 62]

It is called end time prophecy. It is going to get a lot worse.

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[D22369 0]

so are you advocating ignoring organizations that behead our people? should we stand by when they drag hundreds of people at a time out behind buildings, murder and bury in mass graves - give girls barely old enough to have their first period to their fighters as prizes?

personally I don't agree with arming the rebels - put our troops on the ground and eliminate the shitheads once and for all once they are identified - do it swiftly and send a message that this shit wont be tolerated.

and no... its not a perfect solution - that doesn't exist, but ignoring the problem/crimes/evil isn't a solution either.

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[RonD1120 62]

This hard to follow but, I believe we did arm the Syrian rebels and now they are ISIS/ISIL. The goal was to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. It may still be. However, they took our military weapons and now want to use them against us. Israel is the only Mideastern nation we can trust and we are about to abandon that relationship. That is a huge mistake. It appears we favor the Muslim Brotherhood above all. They don't like us either.

"Everybody in the Mideast hates everybody. And everybody hates Israel." ~Old Saying

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[Amazon 7]

RonD1120

This hard to follow but, I believe we did arm the Syrian rebels and now they are ISIS/ISIL. The goal was to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. It may still be. However, they took our military weapons and now want to use them against us. Israel is the only Mideastern nation we can trust and we are about to abandon that relationship. That is a huge mistake. It appears we favor the Muslim Brotherhood above all. They don't like us either.

"Everybody in the Mideast hates everybody. And everybody hates Israel." ~Old Saying

Perception Ron... that was your buddy john McCain... in those pictures with them.. and I am pretty sure this President, the commander in chief was vilified for NOT giving them weapons.. Facts matter Ron.. no matter how bad the ODS wants you to believe otherwise.

[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

This hard to follow but, I believe we did arm the Syrian rebels and now they are ISIS/ISIL. The goal was to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. It may still be. However, they took our military weapons and now want to use them against us. Israel is the only Mideastern nation we can trust and we are about to abandon that relationship. That is a huge mistake. It appears we favor the Muslim Brotherhood above all. They don't like us either.

"Everybody in the Mideast hates everybody. And everybody hates Israel." ~Old Saying

When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

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[kallend 2,150]

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***This hard to follow but, I believe we did arm the Syrian rebels and now they are ISIS/ISIL. The goal was to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. It may still be. However, they took our military weapons and now want to use them against us. Israel is the only Mideastern nation we can trust and we are about to abandon that relationship. That is a huge mistake. It appears we favor the Muslim Brotherhood above all. They don't like us either.

"Everybody in the Mideast hates everybody. And everybody hates Israel." ~Old Saying

Perception Ron... that was your buddy john McCain... in those pictures with them.. and I am pretty sure this President, the commander in chief was vilified for NOT giving them weapons.. Facts matter Ron.. no matter how bad the ODS wants you to believe otherwise.

The Truthiness is strong in Ron.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

When did we arm the Taliban?

They didn't exist as an entity until the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence) created them in the mid-90s to try and stabilize Afghanistan.

We gave a lot of arms to Massoud, during the Soviet war, but he ended up fighting against the Taliban in the 90s, and was assassinated by AQ operatives posing as reporters on Sept 9, 2001.

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[Amazon 7]

wolfriverjoe

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When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

When did we arm the Taliban?

They didn't exist as an entity until the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence) created them in the mid-90s to try and stabilize Afghanistan.

We gave a lot of arms to Massoud, during the Soviet war, but he ended up fighting against the Taliban in the 90s, and was assassinated by AQ operatives posing as reporters on Sept 9, 2001.

There were lots of groups from Afghanistan feeding at the CIA trough in the 80's... anyone willing to kill Russians while shouting Allauh Akbar. Some of the more strident ended up as part of the Taliban later. At the time we wanted to make sure it hurt the Russians for their actions in going in there in the first place right next door to our buddies the Pakistani's

[kawisixer01 0]

D22369

so are you advocating ignoring organizations that behead our people? should we stand by when they drag hundreds of people at a time out behind buildings, murder and bury in mass graves - give girls barely old enough to have their first period to their fighters as prizes?

personally I don't agree with arming the rebels - put our troops on the ground and eliminate the shitheads once and for all once they are identified - do it swiftly and send a message that this shit wont be tolerated.

and no... its not a perfect solution - that doesn't exist, but ignoring the problem/crimes/evil isn't a solution either.

Roy

So when are we going to start caring so much for these same things happening in other parts of the world that aren't sitting on top of oil reserves or in the path of oil pipelines? There has been machete massacres happening for a very long time in Africa and we've hardly batted an eye. There are terrible things happening in other countries, yet we have this weird obsession with only giving a fuck about the middle east. Why?

[RonD1120 62]

Prove me wrong.

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[RonD1120 62]

Ah, your point is?

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[turtlespeed 226]

Amazon

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When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

When did we arm the Taliban?

They didn't exist as an entity until the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence) created them in the mid-90s to try and stabilize Afghanistan.

We gave a lot of arms to Massoud, during the Soviet war, but he ended up fighting against the Taliban in the 90s, and was assassinated by AQ operatives posing as reporters on Sept 9, 2001.

There were lots of groups from Afghanistan feeding at the CIA trough in the 80's... anyone willing to kill Russians while shouting Allauh Akbar. Some of the more strident ended up as part of the Taliban later. At the time we wanted to make sure it hurt the Russians for their actions in going in there in the first place right next door to our buddies the Pakistani's

So you are agreeing that Kallend is wrong then.

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[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

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When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

When did we arm the Taliban?

They didn't exist as an entity until the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence) created them in the mid-90s to try and stabilize Afghanistan.

We gave a lot of arms to Massoud, during the Soviet war, but he ended up fighting against the Taliban in the 90s, and was assassinated by AQ operatives posing as reporters on Sept 9, 2001.

There were lots of groups from Afghanistan feeding at the CIA trough in the 80's... anyone willing to kill Russians while shouting Allauh Akbar. Some of the more strident ended up as part of the Taliban later. At the time we wanted to make sure it hurt the Russians for their actions in going in there in the first place right next door to our buddies the Pakistani's

So you are agreeing that Kallend is wrong then.

Can you explain to all of us the history of Afghanistan?? Since you are such an expert on the region... How many years did you spend there again??

[grimmie 186]

kawisixer01

***so are you advocating ignoring organizations that behead our people? should we stand by when they drag hundreds of people at a time out behind buildings, murder and bury in mass graves - give girls barely old enough to have their first period to their fighters as prizes?

personally I don't agree with arming the rebels - put our troops on the ground and eliminate the shitheads once and for all once they are identified - do it swiftly and send a message that this shit wont be tolerated.

and no... its not a perfect solution - that doesn't exist, but ignoring the problem/crimes/evil isn't a solution either.

Roy

So when are we going to start caring so much for these same things happening in other parts of the world that aren't sitting on top of oil reserves or in the path of oil pipelines? There has been machete massacres happening for a very long time in Africa and we've hardly batted an eye. There are terrible things happening in other countries, yet we have this weird obsession with only giving a fuck about the middle east. Why?

Not much oil in Rwanda...

[D22369 0]

its the oil of course

would be nice if we could do the right thing for the right reasons

yeah... I know, Im dreaming

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[baronn 111]

I was hoping to make a point about the REAL reason why this situation is being perpetuated. It's a personal opinion but, it certainly makes a lot of sense out of what I think is a senseless war. Yes, there are a LOT of horrible things being done to a LOT of innocent people. I find it difficult to believe that these individuals doing the be headings couldn't be found and dealt with appropriately. But, that would end the propoganda being used to justify the next conflict. When the population wakes up to how this all works and realizes how much they are being used, it will end.

[Andy9o8 2]

baronn

I was hoping to make a point about the REAL reason why this situation is being perpetuated. It's a personal opinion but, it certainly makes a lot of sense out of what I think is a senseless war. Yes, there are a LOT of horrible things being done to a LOT of innocent people. I find it difficult to believe that these individuals doing the be headings couldn't be found and dealt with appropriately. But, that would end the propoganda being used to justify the next conflict. When the population wakes up to how this all works and realizes how much they are being used, it will end.

History has proven that that means "never".

[kallend 2,150]

wolfriverjoe

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When it comes to trading with the enemy, I recall IRAN-CONTRA (even though Reagan couldn't), and I recall arming the Taliban.

When did we arm the Taliban?

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[RonD1120 62]

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For his efforts, Wilson was presented with the Honored Colleague Award by the CIA. He became the first civilian to receive the award.[27] However, Wilson's role remains controversial because most of the aid was supplied to Islamist hardliner Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, now a senior Taliban leader and a supporter of al-Qaeda.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Texas_politician)

AKA, Charlie Wilson's War

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

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For his efforts, Wilson was presented with the Honored Colleague Award by the CIA. He became the first civilian to receive the award.[27] However, Wilson's role remains controversial because most of the aid was supplied to Islamist hardliner Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, now a senior Taliban leader and a supporter of al-Qaeda.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Texas_politician)

AKA, Charlie Wilson's War

Well, not really. Hekmatyar was only allied with the Taliban for a few months. Which was after they defeated him militarily. He fled to Iran after that.
He was never a "senior Taliban leader." More an ally of convenience who was discarded as soon as it was clear he was more of a problem than he was worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbuddin_Hekmatyar

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[jclalor 12]

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This hard to follow but, I believe we did arm the Syrian rebels and now they are ISIS/ISIL. The goal was to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. It may still be. However, they took our military weapons and now want to use them against us. Israel is the only Mideastern nation we can trust and we are about to abandon that relationship. That is a huge mistake. It appears we favor the Muslim Brotherhood above all. They don't like us either

You do realize that Sunni ISSL (the Islamic state of Iraq in the Levant) has been fighting the rebel secular FSA, (the Free Syrian Army) for several years now? And that the FSA is about as secular as they come in that part of the world. Both of them are the two main groups (when not fighting each other) fighting the SA ( the Syrian Army) I know it's all a bit hard to keep up, that's why Obama was uneasy with giving heavy weapons to the "Syrian rebel groups"

To say that the Syrian rebels became ISIL gives away you're lack of understanding of the issue.

The fact of the matter is our friends IQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq) just changed names to ISIL, you do remember the reason that IQI started?

[RonD1120 62]

I think you mean the AQI. Yes, it is damn hard to keep up. They all hate each other and they all hate Israel. The Levant area i.e., ISIL, does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

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