Video cameras on beat cops?

[Andy9o8 3]

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in cases where the camera "mysteriously" didn't work their word must be worth no more than that of the person whose accounting of events they are disputing.

Sorry to bear bad news, but in the US that's always technically been the standard in court, since pretty much forever. Cops' testimony are never supposed to be given greater weight than the testimony of other witnesses simply because they're cops. Judges pay lip service to it, and jurors are expressly instructed as such. But - long story short, that "standard" is almost never followed in real life: if it's a criminal case against a civilian defendant, it's unbelievably rare for most jurors, and especially most judges, to reject a cop's testimony over that of a civilian - especially if that witness is the suspect, or an associate of the suspect. So don't get your hopes up.

[skycop 0]

Yes,
Because defense attorneys are pillars of virtue........

On a lighter note,
One of the funniest things I've ever seen;
An old crusty cop, at the end of his career, taking the oath in a felony case. The guy on trial was a career criminal, these guys paths had crossed numerous times over the years.
The oath was read "do you promise to tell the truth and nothing but the truth?" His response, "I will if he will" as he pointed at the defendant. The look on everyone's face was priceless.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[stayhigh 2]

It be awesome for them to wear device like google glass at all time, and it records all the time. They will be much less speculation about what happened at that particular time.

We've all seen cop beating someone videos. But most of those videos doesn't show what happened before the beating.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

[riggerrob 644]

We've all seen cop beating someone videos. But most of those videos doesn't show what happened before the beating.

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Agreed
For example, Los Angeles had a long-standing tradition: if you run from the cops you will be beaten.
All the SoCal criminals know that tradition.
Rodney King should have understood that tradition because he had been arrested (for petty crimes) several times before his televised beating.
The only people who were surprised by King's beating were bleeding hearts
on the far side of the country.

[Andy9o8 3]

skycop

Yes,
Because defense attorneys are pillars of virtue.........

What every seasoned criminal defense attorney comes to understand first-hand is that the felony of deliberate perjury under oath on the witness stand is committed by police officers in American courtrooms hundreds of times every single day. The prosecutors know it, too, but they couldn't care less. And the judges know it too, they're just too intellectually dishonest to admit it.

Corrupt, perjurious cops who arrogantly snicker at others in the system, while they get away with their crimes, protect and serve nobody but themselves.

[normiss 917]

Concrete proof of the us vs. them attitude.


I've seen it a LOT. It's embarrassing when you realize everyone in the courtroom recognizes it, realizes it, and accepts it.

[skycop 0]

Yep,
Knew that would get a response...............

Most of the defense attorney's around here are pretty good guys. I'm on good terms with most of them, the ones I'm not on good terms with are ambulance chasing losers.
On several misdemeanor cases some of the best ones will tell me, "this guy is paying me a lot of money, so it's nothing personal". So during court he'll rant and rave so Joe DUI thinks he's getting his monies worth. After I'd just give him credit for a good show and we'd both laugh about it. He knows and I know the guy is guilty as hell, but we both have a job to do. This comes from years of building up a reputation and not taking garbage cases to court.
I have a short list of attorney's I'd go to if I needed one

If you think cops are clannish and cover for each other, lawyers take that to a whole new level....................

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 917]

I can't think of a cop to put on a list of those I would call.
I can't imagine needing a cop for anything more than procedure.


I know a number of attorneys I could/would call in a heartbeat.

[skycop 0]

What a surprise............

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I can't imagine needing a cop for anything more than procedure.

Ya think, I mean people never call me because I'm so awesome, people call 911 and they send me because I'm working..........

And I can't help you with divorce, wills, criminal defense, etc.

Good people sometimes do bad and stupid things.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 917]

As surprising as you continuing the cop attitude here.

You, like most cops, come across like the rest of us just don't understand.
I tend to see it the other way around.

Maybe we've been bullied enough?

I cannot agree more with your last sentence.
Both sides of your blue line for that matter.
I could post you plenty of news stories to what went on in Florida during the 70's-90's.
We had a few serial killer cops. I though I was in Philly or Chicago sometimes back then.

[skycop 0]

It's called reality..........

There are THOUSANDS of police contacts daily in the US, some under very difficult, trying, and dangerous circumstances. Of those less than 1% end in controversy.
Are there bad cops? Hell yes there are, just like any other profession. They represent a fraction of the rest of us.
My whole point of discussing things here is there are a lot more guys like me than "bad cops".
I've been punched, kicked, bitten, spit on, had bones broken, been shot at, called every name you can possibly image. But that represents a very small part of the job, it happens, it sucks, you press on.
Good cops sometimes have bad days, good people sometimes do bad and very stupid shit.
I'm on here because people post stuff that simply isn't true, it is like pissing in the wind, but for whatever reason I'm in the mood to debate. The funny thing is the most vocal here don't debate, they accuse and use hyperbole.

I've also traveled the world quite a bit, if you think we live in a police state, try some other places, we don't even compare.

This is why I jumped for many years, I enjoyed hanging out with a divergent group of people along with the rush.
I haven't jumped in a while, I miss it and the people at the DZ, even the hippie guy riding a unicycle, juggling, while wearing a gorilla suit.............;)

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[champu 1]

Andy9o8

Sorry to bear bad news, but in the US that's always technically been the standard in court, since pretty much forever. Cops' testimony are never supposed to be given greater weight than the testimony of other witnesses simply because they're cops. Judges pay lip service to it, and jurors are expressly instructed as such. But - long story short, that "standard" is almost never followed in real life: if it's a criminal case against a civilian defendant, it's unbelievably rare for most jurors, and especially most judges, to reject a cop's testimony over that of a civilian - especially if that witness is the suspect, or an associate of the suspect. So don't get your hopes up.

I don't think police have the story of what happened in a particular situation in their head any better or worse than any other person that gets called up to the witness stand. I imagine many also take notes after encounters which would generally improve police recounts of events over an average person who probably wouldn't do this. The difference, however, is that through their training as police and through their experience as witnesses, what they also collect in their heads are what needs to have happened, what needs to have been said by whom, and what needs to be said about what happened for a particular outcome in court to be realized.

Once you know "Hey if the case is about X and I say Y the guy likely gets convicted but if I say Z the guy gets off." you can't un-know that. Any experienced police officer is thus effectively a coached witness. Whether that has no effect, a subconscious effect (e.g. remembering simply that it was a "routine" event and then going on auto-pilot from there when describing the details), or a conscious effect (the outright lying you describe in a subsequent post) I'm sure varies on a case-by-case basis.

[billvon 3,173]

>Most of the defense attorney's around here are pretty good guys. I'm on good
>terms with most of them
i.e. "us"

>the ones I'm not on good terms with are ambulance chasing losers.
i.e. "them"

[skycop 0]

Can't be friends with everybody, some of them lack integrity, use very shady tactics, or just plain idealougues that can't be reasoned with. I do feel sorry for the PD's especially the young ones, they are overworked and very underpaid.

The ones I don't like are very few in number and they are treated professionally.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[Dantes 0]

Absolutely. I am surprised that no one posted this:

"But Rialto's randomised controlled study has seized attention because it offers scientific – and encouraging – findings: after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto


Also, $400 for one high res camera per cop is a no brainer...

http://www.taser.com/products/on-officer-video/axon-body-on-officer-video

[DrewEckhardt 0]

Amazon

Line of duty public employees????
ALL of the above.. wear them.

Including politicians who can be as dangerous to society as rogue police officers.

[normiss 917]

I certainly cannot disagree with anything you've said in that post.

Probably like most things in life, the bad experiences stand out and make a more significant impression than the times that go nice and normal.

I clearly understand the dangers of the job. Just like cops though, not all of us civilians are bad and dangerous. It sucks to be treated as if we were from the moment the cop interaction starts.

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normiss

I clearly understand the dangers of the job. Just like cops though, not all of us civilians are bad and dangerous. It sucks to be treated as if we were from the moment the cop interaction starts.

admit it - you're shiftless looking.. c'mon....you know it....loitering and all that

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[cvfd1399 0]

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Concrete proof of the us vs. them attitude.

What is the proof that happens Andys comment?

If you got proof, go to the local new station today, and bust the story wide open! If not stop with your trolling.

[normiss 917]

'Have' is the word you were looking for.

[cvfd1399 0]

An answer instead of more trolling is what I was looking for.

[normiss 917]

Given your constant trollish attacks on me, what exactly is it you feel I owe you?

[cvfd1399 0]

I expect you to stop saying meaningless comments just to spark emotion and anger in people.

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Concrete proof of the us vs. them attitude.

This post had nothing but useless information. A guy said he saw something happen in court, then you jumped up from your cop hating podium and said THERE is the PROOF, and gathered your pitchfork.

I said if you got concrete proof if a FELONY, take action report it. Knowing you are just making shit up just to keep an argument going. You reply back with a grammar comment which is classic trolling tactics.

I see it over and over from you is all, and I guess your right, I should take others advise and stop feeding you. Have a good day man. Later

[normiss 917]

My brain hurts reading your posts.

[kallend 2,219]

riggerrob

Los Angeles had a long-standing tradition: if you run from the cops you will be beaten.
All the SoCal criminals know that tradition.

Well, that makes beatings OK then. "Tradition" is certainly ample justification for bad behavior.

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