Watching your Police State in Action.

[Amazon 7]

So.. it not just me but others have also noticed.. but Data... yup... Jedi Mind tricks.. from the police.

These are not the thousands of dead citizens of America you think you see.. COMPLY and move along... NOW

http://news.msn.com/us/data-on-police-shootings-is-hard-to-find

Data on police shootings is hard to find

Aug. 20- WASHINGTON — The shooting of an unarmed teenager in Ferguson, Mo., has exposed what the Justice Department doesn't know about police use of force.


Federal officials don't know how many police shootings take place annually. They don't know how many citizens complaints get filed each year. And, despite a 1994 congressional order, they don't tally annually the incidents of "excessive force" by police.

Many reasons account for the lack of comprehensive data, including the complexity of the reporting task. The absence of facts, though, can hinder efforts to diagnose and solve.

"That's a clear, clear problem," Matthew Hickman, associate professor of criminal justice at Seattle University, said in an interview Wednesday. "When it comes to use of force, we have almost nothing."

Deadspin, an online sports news site, underscored the data shortcomings Wednesday by initiating what it bills as a crowd-sourced database of police shootings. Within the first five hours, data concerning 135 shooting incidents from the last several years had been entered.

But even when begun enthusiastically, data-collection ventures can fizzle over time. The International Association of Chiefs of Police, for instance, at one point maintained a police shooting database. It has not been updated since 2001, the association said Wednesday.

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Surely the police do an investigation when ever there is a police shooting. Wait a second.....
Sounds like some cop shops have needed federal oversight for some time.

[airdvr 210]

Meh. I'm sure you'd like us to believe every time a white cop shoots a black person there's foul play. Didn't take me long to see 400 such cases annually. I'm surprised its not more.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/15/375410/us-police-involved-in-400-deaths-per-year/


I know you guys like to analyze things in a vacuum but that's not real world.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DanG 1]

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I'm sure you'd like us to believe every time a white cop shoots a black person there's foul play.

I believe that every time any cop shoots any citizen, there should be an impartial investigation.

No wait, let me expand, I believe when anybody shoots anybody else there should be an impartial investigation.

Cops aren't above the law, regardless of the skin color of those involved.

- Dan G

[Amazon 7]

DanG

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I'm sure you'd like us to believe every time a white cop shoots a black person there's foul play.

I believe that every time any cop shoots any citizen, there should be an impartial investigation.

No wait, let me expand, I believe when anybody shoots anybody else there should be an impartial investigation.

Cops aren't above the law, regardless of the skin color of those involved.

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This

Its interesting that they fell it is only to be investigated as a use of "excessive" force... so justified shootings appear to be just peachy keen... as long as Officer BLAM BLAM BLAM... felt threatened... "I feared for my life"

Maybe we need officers who will not shoot anything that causes them any anxiety????

[Boomerdog 0]

Great subject to bring up Amazon. It's been a concern of mine. I hearken back to one of the early scenes in Braveheart where Uncle Argyle tells young William Wallace, "First we teach you this (and points to William's head), then we'll teach you that" (and points to the sword). The object lesson of course is that the application of deadly force requires both judgement, skill, and not to be engaged lightly.

What the final investigation in Ferguson will show is still TBD but it went from zero to gun rather quickly. Did the suspect attempt to grab the officer's weapon just a short period after the initial engagement? If he did, then the suspect set the baseline terms of the rest of the engagement and we all know the results.

Juxtaposed against this incident is the glaring fact that our police forces have become quite militarized and it's hard to say that when they get all dressed up if they get "in character" and start acting like a bunch of spec ops wannabes. All I know is that SWAT teams on no knock raids have caused a lot of unhappy endings compounded by the fact that bad intelligence leads them to the wrong house and the truly innocent get severely jacked up or killed.

Obviously opinions do vary but all I see from the incidents reported is a higher proclivity to escalate a situation too quickly and that does not bode well for everyone involved.

[Amazon 7]

Boomerdog

Great subject to bring up Amazon. It's been a concern of mine. I hearken back to one of the early scenes in Braveheart where Uncle Argyle tells young William Wallace, "First we teach you this (and points to William's head), then we'll teach you that" (and points to the sword). The object lesson of course is that the application of deadly force requires both judgement, skill, and not to be engaged lightly.

What the final investigation in Ferguson will show is still TBD but it went from zero to gun rather quickly. Did the suspect attempt to grab the officer's weapon just a short period after the initial engagement? If he did, then the suspect set the baseline terms of the rest of the engagement and we all know the results.

Juxtaposed against this incident is the glaring fact that our police forces have become quite militarized and it's hard to say that when they get all dressed up if they get "in character" and start acting like a bunch of spec ops wannabes. All I know is that SWAT teams on no knock raids have caused a lot of unhappy endings compounded by the fact that bad intelligence leads them to the wrong house and the truly innocent get severely jacked up or killed.

Obviously opinions do vary but all I see from the incidents reported is a higher proclivity to escalate a situation too quickly and that does not bode well for everyone involved.

Even the police up in Canukistan seem t be going Goat F@3K Stupid with this crap.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/21/we-call-it-a-rescue-vehicle-growing-number-of-canadian-police-forces-bulking-up-with-armoured-vehicles/

[Arvoitus 1]

Boomerdog

Juxtaposed against this incident is the glaring fact that our police forces have become quite militarized and it's hard to say that when they get all dressed up if they get "in character" and start acting like a bunch of spec ops wannabes. All I know is that SWAT teams on no knock raids have caused a lot of unhappy endings compounded by the fact that bad intelligence leads them to the wrong house and the truly innocent get severely jacked up or killed.

Like this. I wonder if those cops feel embarrassed afterwards or are they like 'shit happens when you party hard'. At least they've got an immunity from liability when they fuck up and destroy some random grannies house because they thought she was trolling on the Internets.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[Boomerdog 0]

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I wonder if those cops feel embarrassed afterwards or are they like 'shit happens when you party hard'. At least they've got an immunity from liability when they fuck up and destroy some random grannies house because they thought she was trolling on the Internets.

I have no idea what their after action feelings are. However, when the cops are sued as a result of a bad best killing the innocent or getting the address wrong etc. the city i.e.the taxpayers end up with the tab. The transparency of "independent" investigations is questionable since it is usually the DA's office in conjunction with the Internal Affairs (IA) division of the Police Department that conducts the investigation. Any action no matter how large, small or farfetched is used to justify the shoot to state that deadly force was necessary as the officer(s) feared for their lives confronted with great bodily harm form the suspect(s).

The bromides continue, "All we're talking about here are a few bad cops." Well if the "the thin blue line" allows the bad rotten apples to stay in the barrel, eventually the rot spreads.

[Amazon 7]

Is that a loaded umbrella???
http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/policestate.jpg

[Arvoitus 1]

Its kind of sad that people in university can't distinguish between an umbrella and an assault rifle.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[turtlespeed 226]

Arvoitus

Its kind of sad that people in university can't distinguish between an umbrella and an assault rifle.

Sad . . . Not surprising in the least, but definitely sad.

the profs do that kind of teaching there you know.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***Its kind of sad that people in university can't distinguish between an umbrella and an assault rifle.

Sad . . . Not surprising in the least, but definitely sad.

the profs do that kind of teaching there you know.

That really shouldn't matter. In most other countries people have learned the difference between those two objects weel before university.

Guess you needed a university professor to make it clear for you.

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

Guess you needed a university professor to make it clear for you.

Why would you suppose that?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Arvoitus 1]

Turns out people are abusing the eagerness of local SWAT teams to raid places. It even has a fancy name.

Example:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=552_1409176983

Recording of the false report (911 call starts at around 4:00):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWRzmOlejE

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[Amazon 7]

Arvoitus

Turns out people are abusing the eagerness of local SWAT teams to raid places. It even has a fancy name.

Example:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=552_1409176983

Recording of the false report (911 call starts at around 4:00):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWRzmOlejE

Its all fun and games doing this like that.. till some moron gets somebody killed.

[Arvoitus 1]

Amazon

***Turns out people are abusing the eagerness of local SWAT teams to raid places. It even has a fancy name.

Example:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=552_1409176983

Recording of the false report (911 call starts at around 4:00):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWRzmOlejE

Its all fun and games doing this like that.. till some moron gets somebody killed.

It could be intentional too. Somebody does this on a person who has a gun and calls it in during the night. The SWAT teams bust through his door in the middle of the night. He wakes up grabs his gun. SWAT team sees a dude holding a gun and execute him on the spot.

I'm only surprised it hasn't happened yet.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[cvfd1399 0]

It happens already, there are even states that have laws clearing the homeowner of any wrong doing in this case if they kill the cop in certain situations.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/

[Zep 0]

You think you've got it bad, move to northern England
You'll get pimped by the Asians, then the police will arrest you
for not giving up your wares.

Gone fishing

[turtlespeed 226]

Zep

You think you've got it bad, move to northern England
You'll get pimped by the Asians, then the police will arrest you
for not giving up your wares.

When was this?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Arvoitus 1]

turtlespeed

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You think you've got it bad, move to northern England
You'll get pimped by the Asians, then the police will arrest you
for not giving up your wares.

When was this?

I think he means the topic of this thread.

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

[turtlespeed 226]

Arvoitus

******
You think you've got it bad, move to northern England
You'll get pimped by the Asians, then the police will arrest you
for not giving up your wares.

When was this?

I think he means the topic of this thread.

Ah.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun