Ebola patients coming back to the US

[jacketsdb23 49]

I applaud the selfless act of the Dr's and Nurses treating Ebola patients in West Africa. Pretty ugly situation over there. I also don't think we've heard the last of the guy who made it on a plane while sick.

Maybe in the minority here, but I applaud the efforts of the CDC to save the two Americans over there. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/u-s-scrambles-retrieve-ebola-patients-n170461

Ebola is scary because we don't understand it and have never had it here in the states. Now we are bringing two infected Dr.'s back for treatment effectively bringing Ebola here to the US. What are your thoughts on this?

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[quade 4]

While I think every effort should probably be made to save the workers, I am not wild about the idea of a possible mishap here.

While the CDC is obviously excellent at what they do, it would be tragic if some unforeseen circumstance caused the virsus to make its way out into the public. And this isn't even anything in the CDCs control. I'm thinking a plane crash would be pretty bad.

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jacketsdb23

I applaud the selfless act of the Dr's and Nurses treating Ebola patients in West Africa. Pretty ugly situation over there. I also don't think we've heard the last of the guy who made it on a plane while sick.

Maybe in the minority here, but I applaud the efforts of the CDC to save the two Americans over there. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/u-s-scrambles-retrieve-ebola-patients-n170461

Ebola is scary because we don't understand it and have never had it here in the states. Now we are bringing two infected Dr.'s back for treatment effectively bringing Ebola here to the US. What are your thoughts on this?

So they are bringing a virus not in an isolated test tube but in a human being. Are the people going to live in isolation for the rest of their lives in a bubble there at Emory University??

A virus that is essentially never cured.. once you have it in you... its there for life and you are a carrier. The Ebola virus is spread by contact with those who have it... bodily fluids....
Are they going to cauterize ever microgram of EVERYTHING that comes out of isolation??

Welcome to the new world Ebola.

[Arvoitus 1]

The little I understand about it I'm not even slightly worried. As far as I know most (all?) strains of it do not spread by air, but require physical contact(bodily fluids) with an infected person. So even if an infected person made their way to some western country, it very likely would be contained easily and quickly. Obviously there'd be some panic from the general populace frightened by mass media but other then that it wouldn't like be a big deal.

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[jacketsdb23 49]

I assume once / if they recover, they can't actively transmit it to someone else???

I'd be much more worried about Quade's scenario in which something out of CDC / Emory Hospital's hands happen. Plane crash, someone with bad intentions...etc.

I don't think we'd ever see a scenario like west africa, but its a bit unnerving. Trying to make my head overcome the common sense thought on this.

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jacketsdb23

I assume once / if they recover, they can't actively transmit it to someone else???

I'd be much more worried about Quade's scenario in which something out of CDC / Emory Hospital's hands happen. Plane crash, someone with bad intentions...etc.

I don't think we'd ever see a scenario like west africa, but its a bit unnerving. Trying to make my head overcome the common sense thought on this.

Care to share a mosquito or flea bite with an infected person to test that out??

Think West Nile and a few other things that have come to America from Africa and are spread by "bodily fluids"

[jacketsdb23 49]

yeah, i don't know what to think.

This better go as advertised.

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[Tisket 0]

I am very much not thrilled about it at all. Part of the problem is how close I live and work to the CDC and Emory, part of it is what others have mentioned.

I can understand that we have 2 amazingly capable facilities next door to each other, and the desire to bring people home to be treated. We can't exactly ban a US citizen from entering the US due to a disease/illness. I'm more concerned with the hypochondriacs that will sneeze 3 times instead of 2 and cause a false pandemic situation, taxing the already burdened hospital systems in Atlanta. You'd be surprised how many times a day the different hospitals go on diversion.

If you can't convince them, keep them confused.

[muff528 3]

Arvoitus

....... do not spread by air, but require physical contact(bodily fluids) with an infected person. ....

So it spreads sort of like Hep. C or AIDS. So no real chance of propagation here should there be an accident. But maybe there is a saving grace with Ebola. Maybe it debilitates and then kills its host so quickly it doesn't get as many opportunities to spread once the host is infected. Might explain why the current outbreak in Africa is so "limited".

[kelpdiver 2]

muff528

So it spreads sort of like Hep. C or AIDS. So no real chance of propagation here should there be an accident. But maybe there is a saving grace with Ebola. Maybe it debilitates and then kills its host so quickly it doesn't get as many opportunities to spread once the host is infected. Might explain why the current outbreak in Africa is so "limited".

The infection pace is nothing like Hep or HIV where they are effectively carriers for life (this may have changed with the $84k Gilead treatment). Ebola attacks and kills so quickly (and only spreads when the person is symptomatic) that it would make Atlanta unpleasant to be in for a few weeks and that would be it. I have sufficient faith in the CDC to operate on their home turf.

Ebola outbreaks have been occurring in Africa for decades. It's less a concern than SARS or Swine Flu.

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kelpdiver

***
So it spreads sort of like Hep. C or AIDS. So no real chance of propagation here should there be an accident. But maybe there is a saving grace with Ebola. Maybe it debilitates and then kills its host so quickly it doesn't get as many opportunities to spread once the host is infected. Might explain why the current outbreak in Africa is so "limited".

The infection pace is nothing like Hep or HIV where they are effectively carriers for life (this may have changed with the $84k Gilead treatment). Ebola attacks and kills so quickly (and only spreads when the person is symptomatic) that it would make Atlanta unpleasant to be in for a few weeks and that would be it. I have sufficient faith in the CDC to operate on their home turf.

Ebola outbreaks have been occurring in Africa for decades. It's less a concern than SARS or Swine Flu.

And notice where it has moved from http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/03/ebola%20outbreaks.jpg

Until it... like other virus.. mutate.

Know your Virus.....http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/map-ebola/RTR3VHC1.jpg

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Iago

The world's busiest airport is in Atlanta.

It is also a pretty dense population. If that big gets loose in ATL it could be everywhere really quick.

Do not forget the Reston and USAMRID instance in monkey from the PI...

More history...
http://myreadingmapped.blogspot.com/2012/01/the-spread-of-ebola-outbreaks-1976-2012.html

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Iago

The world's busiest airport is in Atlanta.

they're transporting these people on a private jet, not Delta.

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kelpdiver

***The world's busiest airport is in Atlanta.

they're transporting these people on a private jet, not Delta.

Is that a dig at Delta (for no real reason), because it's not like it changes the fact Atlanta is busy.

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Maybe this makes me an asshole, but I say keep it the hell out. I don't have enough faith in humans to believe the chance of saving them is worth the risk of a fuckup and an ebola outbreak in the US.

cavete terrae.

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quade

While I think every effort should probably be made to save the workers, I am not wild about the idea of a possible mishap here.

While the CDC is obviously excellent at what they do, it would be tragic if some unforeseen circumstance caused the virsus to make its way out into the public. And this isn't even anything in the CDCs control. I'm thinking a plane crash would be pretty bad.

Jesus, it pains me to consider that there could be a subject where we agree at all, but I think this might be it.

I am less than impressed with our government's track record regarding the containment of lethal and communicable diseases. AIDS comes to mind.


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[Dantes 0]

I'm torn on the issue. One one end, I think that there is Ebola hysteria going on right now. It's understandable because Ebola is new to people, has a high mortality rate, and horrible symptoms. However, people are comparing Liberia, a lawless 3rd world nation to the CDC Infectious Disease facilities.

It could be valuable to CDC scientists to see the progression of the disease firsthand, and to be able to utilize experimental meds. This can be important should the disease become more virulent.

On the other hand, the CDC seems to have mobile isolation pods and a specially-equipped private jet. One wonders why they can't fly specialists in, and provide treatment/collect data on the ground. Perhaps, they need access to advanced labs or something similar.

So, I'm torn. While there is always a human element to isolating a sick patient, I think it will ultimately be a good thing in the long run, and the disease will stay contained in the facility. The whole world is watching.

If you want a disease to actually worry about, it should be drug-resistant TB. Cases are exploding here in the US. The prevalence among illegal immigrants is high (that's a whole other barrel of monkeys). In areas of Russia and India there are FULLY resistant strains. Where the docs basically say, "pack up your shit and get ready to die." Scary.

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quade

******The world's busiest airport is in Atlanta.

they're transporting these people on a private jet, not Delta.

Is that a dig at Delta (for no real reason), because it's not like it changes the fact Atlanta is busy.

It's a reflection of the reality that these patients won't be exposing Ebola to that crowded airport.

The hysteria here is bordering on comical. These people's survival odds are better here than in 4th world Africa. If we can't trust the CDC in their home base, then we're truly fucked anyway. I see this as a good test to confirm....the worst case scenario is not that bad. A couple dozen infected doctors and a refocus on getting it right.

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winsor

***While I think every effort should probably be made to save the workers, I am not wild about the idea of a possible mishap here.

While the CDC is obviously excellent at what they do, it would be tragic if some unforeseen circumstance caused the virsus to make its way out into the public. And this isn't even anything in the CDCs control. I'm thinking a plane crash would be pretty bad.

Jesus, it pains me to consider that there could be a subject where we agree at all, but I think this might be it.

I am less than impressed with our government's track record regarding the containment of lethal and communicable diseases. AIDS comes to mind.


BSBD,

Winsor

I worry about stupid crap like this... I mean WTF.... its not like anyone that works in that field does not understand the ramifications of leaving that stuff due to what forgetfulness??

http://mashable.com/2014/07/08/smallpox-vials-found/

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Our armed forces are more capable with the knowledge that no effort or expense will be spared to rescue them if they are in dire straights. Our PJ's motto is "That Others May Live".

The fight against Ebola will be won or lost in Africa. If the Doctors and Nurses are left to die, will they continue to travel to Africa to stop the spread of Ebola?

In short, what are the long term reprocussions of doing nothing?

Derek V

[billvon 3,085]

>Maybe this makes me an asshole, but I say keep it the hell out.

Not an asshole, but it does present something of a legal problem. Hard to keep a US citizen out of the US, especially given that we have had people with much more deadly diseases allowed back in.

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billvon

>Maybe this makes me an asshole, but I say keep it the hell out.

Not an asshole, but it does present something of a legal problem. Hard to keep a US citizen out of the US, especially given that we have had people with much more deadly diseases allowed back in.

That's true.

I guess the issue I have is that it's putting a lot of faith in a lot of people to not screw up, and I'm not sure if that faith has been earned. The US specifically has had a lot of reasonably high-profile fuckups recently with pathogen, and so I'm maybe a little bit more on edge than normal with them.

cavete terrae.

[GD64 1]

I don't like it, however I have trouble leaving USA citizens behind.....even though they put themselves into this position however well intentioned.

There is not one government bureaucrat or politician I trust, so F-up's on this matter concern me.

I suppose it will now be easier for our (USA) military industrial complex to "weaponize" this disease since they have two donors. That's if they haven't done so already?

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Iago

My point is IF it gets loose ATL is a perfect vector to send it anyplace in the world.

Just to remind you, Patient Zero was on two planes while he was symptomatic.

arg, the misuse of vector and "patient zero" makes my brain hurt.

I do take issue with this doctor traveling while symptomatic - he knew what he was exposed to (his sister died of ebola) and did it anyway.

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GD64

I suppose it will now be easier for our (USA) military industrial complex to "weaponize" this disease since they have two donors. That's if they haven't done so already?

This was a movie in the 90s.

Ebola has been around for decades, so nothing new coming from these 2. And the military has better pathogens if they want to go that route.