D22369 0 #1 July 11, 2014 just curious how often you perform maintanence on yours I pull my 9mm m&p shield apart and oil it weekly. I also switch mags every week to relax the spring. while Im tossing questions - what is your preferred carry wpn? I like this m&p as I can carry with shorts and a tank top and its completely concealed unless the wind blows and its outlined above the belt - and even then 99% of the people don't see it RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #2 July 11, 2014 do you fully load up the mag everytime?? cleaning your 9mm every week despite of usage sounds little obsessive, but probably because of your weirdness make you wanna CCW at all times.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #3 July 11, 2014 call me weird all you want, stick your head in the sand if you wish -all it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time and you will be a victim. being unarmed does not make you safe, it makes you a potential victim at anothers whim. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/10/us-usa-shooting-texas-idUSKBN0FF04320140710 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/nyregion/carjacking-suspect-charged-with-2-murders.html?_r=0 and if you think your safe in the mountains think again. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hikers-robbed-shot-california-trail-20140519-story.html I am happy to be weird m8, I am prepared and proficient to defend myself and family. by your tone the best you could hope for is to die first so you don't have to watch them go. good luck with that Roy edited to add: I seriously hope me, you and everyone else here - whether they carry or not never find themselves in a situation that would require a firearm. but in my mind its better to have it and not need it than to need it and wish you had it.They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #4 July 11, 2014 so do you fully load up your mag all the time? or leave couple out so that your spring doesn't get compressed all the way?Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #5 July 11, 2014 fully loaded - I have yet to ever have a spring sag and become unusable on any weapon.They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #6 July 12, 2014 oh, and yes once a week is waaaay more than it needs, but I work out of town and its boring as hell there so it gives me something to do other than watch tv Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,486 #7 July 12, 2014 Weekly. But, then I go to the range weekly also.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #8 July 12, 2014 I thought this thread said how often do you carry your concealed weapon... ..To which I would ironically respond, hardly ever when I'm in my home hood in Detroit. I've been in several situations in which I was able to reason with the aggressor. If I had my gun, who knows...but it would've ended much worse. Now if I was in Cali, I would always carry, legal or not...those people are crazy. At least I can see a soul in my Detroit hood brotha's eye's... in California, all I see are dark bottomless pits absent of any reason whatsoever.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #9 July 12, 2014 Being armed does not make you safe either, it still makes you a potential victim at anothers whim.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #10 July 12, 2014 its not a get out of trouble card, its a force multiplier - it merely gives you options in a live or die situation - if and its a big if I admit... you have the chance to get it into play. nothing will protect you from a blindside you don't see coming. it gives you a chance that you otherwise would not have. I do not open carry as I dislike the attention it brings, I personally think that the weapon that is carried totally concealed is the most effective - I am not the most physically imposing person you will ever meet, but with my force multiplier if I can get it into play I can hold my own - my size and at a glance, unarmed status might just make someone dismiss me as a threat and not just take me out immediately - thus (hopefully) allowing me the slightly less than 2 seconds it takes to draw, drop the safety and fire my first round. Without it I wouldn't have this chance against an armed assailant. if I see the trouble coming I would prefer to withdraw and avoid the situation but you don't always get the chance. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #11 July 12, 2014 QuoteI do not open carry as I dislike the attention it brings, I personally think that the weapon that is carried totally concealed is the most effective - I am not the most physically imposing person you will ever meet, but with my force multiplier if I can get it into play I can hold my own - my size and at a glance, unarmed status might just make someone dismiss me as a threat and not just take me out immediately - thus (hopefully) allowing me the slightly less than 2 seconds it takes to draw, drop the safety and fire my first round. Without it I wouldn't have this chance against an armed assailant This is just a fantasy...you'd have better luck learning to reason with your enemy in most situations rather than fearing him.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #12 July 12, 2014 one of us is definitely in fantasy land - so tell me how you reason with a person hopped up on meth who has decided you have to die since the voices in his head tell him so? how would you stop an armed man who entered your house to abduct your daughter? words? good luck with that.They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #13 July 12, 2014 D22369one of us is definitely in fantasy land - so tell me how you reason with a person hopped up on meth who has decided you have to die since the voices in his head tell him so? how would you stop an armed man who entered your house to abduct your daughter? words? good luck with that. Those are fantasy scenarios that are very unlikely. You're more likely to be in a situation where the assailant doesn't really want to kill you...if you don't have the ability to reason with them or at least mess with their head, then I can understand your fear. Adding another gun to the situation will most likely end with death(s) that could've otherwise been avoided... ...but hey, that's just me actually experiencing real world situations, while you fantasize about blowing away some big thug due to some type of Nepoleon complex. To each their own...don't let me stop you.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #14 July 12, 2014 I'm probably like one of the worst gun owners out there. I rarely clean mine. Never had any problem tho. My guns always go bang on commend. The guns actually do not go bad, I guess it all depends on the environment. Very little humidity here. Try out once on the firearm that you don't really give a shit about, try and push how many rounds you can put thru before it starts malfunctioning. I never really load up mag to full. And I never ever put a round into a chamber after I dropped them on the ground, I actually clean the bullet before I load them into the chamber. That I'm anal about.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #15 July 12, 2014 perhaps you missed where I said I would rather withdraw... and as for them being unlikely? lol, you don't watch the news much do you? http://fox2now.com/2014/06/10/one-person-dead-another-at-the-hospital/ so what words would you use to stop the thugs here? pretty please don't will not carry any weight - they are decided upon what they have planned, you would just sit there and talk - hoping to reason with them... then maybe you would watch them rape your daughter while being completely helpless. as for 911, it takes responders time to get there, how much depends on what they have going on at the time, and how far away they are - you would be taking an awful chance on the lives of your family. words are worthless when the person has decided your life, and the lives of your family are his to take. no complex here, I just wasn't issued rose colored glasses with which to view the world. like I said earlier, it only takes you being in the wrong place wrong timeThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #16 July 12, 2014 So yeah, I don't have CCW so I can't answer your Q's. and for all of my firearms at home I rarely clean em maybe once or twice a year, and everytime I kinda have to re figure shit out on how to pull it apart and put it back together. I put about 1000 round each firearm in a year so I don't use em that often. I also have this one cheap pump Benalli SuperNova. I've cleaned it once, and that was 3 years ago. You should see the barrel inside. so much plastic residue. and just like my gun cleaning habits, I trash pack the shit out of my canopy, no flaking, walk up, wrap it and fold. They open fine. Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #17 July 12, 2014 I don't clean the bullets but yeah, if I drop one on the ground that bullet is not going to be used - I place it in the box along with all the brass I pick up, my neighbor reloads so I provide him with a ton of spent brass, he'll pull the bullet and if the casing isn't damaged he will use it, he tosses me a box or two to go play with from time to time my glock 23 has about 5k rounds through it so far, still functioning and feeding nicely - I have heard of glock owners getting 15k through one before things start going south. Quote I trash pack the shit out of my canopy, no flaking, walk up, wrap it and fold. They open fine. true that! my Icarus just gets the nose cleared then wrapped, don't know how many times I have been asked "you don't flake the canopy"? lol, opens like a dream They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #18 July 12, 2014 Only firearm that repeatedly sucked all the time was M-16A2 that was issued during basic training. I feel like it was more or less the ammo issue rather than the rifle itself, and buddy of mine at the time ended up mixing up the firing pin with like three other people, while cleaning, and his rifle somehow turned into bolt action. Meaning somehow his M-16 lost its ability to go semi. We all tried to switch firing pin back and forth but his rifle never went back to normal. I remember the guy cocking it everytime during his accuracy test, he still made 30+ targets out of 40. If it wasn't for his faulty rifle, I believe he would've been able to shoot AT-4, which only top two shooters out of our Company got to enjoy, while others had to play with rubber ducky.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #19 July 12, 2014 I was completely unimpressed with my M-16A2 I was issued, about every 5-10 rounds it would lock open, a quick smack on the side of the weapon and it would close but for a combat wpn to do that is unacceptable, I took it to the armorer many times only to be told to put more rounds through it as it was new and everything mic'd out correct. the accuracy was exceptional however, but after putting several thousand rounds through it the problem persisted and I was finally issued a new weapon that worked flawlesslyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #20 July 12, 2014 SPORT drill?? I forgot that and I had to look it up.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #21 July 12, 2014 LOL, I forgot about that acronym too I just remember my frustration with that damned thing, tried firing with it excessively lubed...dry...even tried gun grease *(will never use that again..what a mess) didn't matter, same result - was just glad I didn't go to combat with that weapon - I remember just waiting for the replacement wpn to do the same thing, took a while till I actually trusted it They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #22 July 12, 2014 Perhaps you watch too much TV. All I know is that if I had been carrying in the real situations I've actually experienced, then more people would be dead...maybe even myself...and yes, my words actually did diffuse the situation. If I had to do it again, I guess I'd prefer to have my gun...but it wouldn't have ended up as good as it did before. My point is that using a gun will exacerbate the majority of situations where you'd actually might feel the need to have a gun...like a robbery for example. From experience, I realized that carrying a gun in Detroit actually puts me at a greater risk... It kinda depends on where you are... Wise up.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #23 July 12, 2014 I have been in three situations as a civilian where I could have pulled my wpn. but I didn't - the situations stabilized without anyone needing to die or be gravely injured - the last one because the assailant was hopped up on something and apparently forgot the knife he was threatening to use on my neighbor - he was very serious - if his hand had come out of his pocket with it I would have been justified in using deadly force, looking back I can be amused at his ranting and frantically searching all his pockets... but at the time It was not funny In those links I pointed out situations where that wasn't even a remote possibility. did you click those links? you would have to have Loki's silver tongue to use words to stop what happened. words will not always work - you cannot reason with the unreasonable. I don't need to wise up, once diplomacy fails you have to have a backup and unfortunately that backup has to be force. I can understand what your saying but we have two very different views here - knowing when the wpn is truly justified is key. I like hedging my bets, I hope I never have to take a life but having the ability to stop an attacker that is bent on taking a life whether its mine/family/friends or even someone I don't know is very comfortingThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #24 July 13, 2014 stayhighI'm probably like one of the worst gun owners out there. I rarely clean mine. Never had any problem tho. My guns always go bang on commend. The guns actually do not go bad, I guess it all depends on the environment. Very little humidity here. Try out once on the firearm that you don't really give a shit about, try and push how many rounds you can put thru before it starts malfunctioning. I never really load up mag to full. And I never ever put a round into a chamber after I dropped them on the ground, I actually clean the bullet before I load them into the chamber. That I'm anal about. I'd be willing to be that's not remotely the only thing you are anal about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #25 July 13, 2014 D22369I can understand what your saying but we have two very different views here - knowing when the wpn is truly justified is key. agreed...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites