GeorgiaDon 380 #26 July 7, 2014 QuoteSo they all came legally. Illegal immigration is the issue. There is no legal mechanism by which the vast majority of people such as the the migrants showing up at the border can immigrate. Interesting system we have in place: we rely on such migrants to provide cheap labor, especially for agriculture and construction, yet we have no legal path for people in those occupations to obtain permanent residence (green card) or citizenship. There are really very few ways to legally immigrate to the US: 1. Family repatriation. If you have an immediate family member who is a US citizen, they can sponsor you to immigrate. If you aren't lucky enough to have a parent or sibling here, your options are: 2. You can be sponsored by an employer. Typically you would enter on a H visa, and after about five years they can sponsor you for a green card. During this whole time (minimally 6-7 years including processing time for the green card) you cannot change employer. Every step of the process costs thousands of dollars in fees. Employers do this only for "high value" employees, typically those with advanced degrees (PhD mostly) who bring specialized skills they have not been able to find in American workers. This is because the employers also have to pay thousands of dollars in fees. No-body does this for workers with expertise in picking grapes or plucking chickens. After another 5 years as a permanent resident you can apply to naturalize as a US citizen. The path to citizenship is long, expensive, and USCIS goes out of their way to treat you like shit the whole way. It's worth it if you're being paid a decent salary as a professional. It's impossible legally, and even if it was possible it would be stupid to pay several thousand dollars in fees for a visa so you can take a minimum wage job. 3. In very exceptional circumstances you can apply directly for a green card under the "national interest" program. This is limited to people who can prove an international reputation for excellence in science, performing arts, or athletics. Basically, if you have a Nobel Prize in medicine, or are a likely Olympic gold medal contender you can bypass the requirement for an employer. A couple of dozen such green cards are issued annually. Otherwise go to the back of the line. 4. If you are rich enough you can buy a green card. All you have to do is invest a minimum of $1,000,000 in a targeted enterprise in a low employment area of the country. Care to guess how many of the migrants showing up at the border have $1,000,000 to invest? 5. If you come from an eligible country (one with a low rate of immigration to the US in the last 5 years) you may be eligible to apply for the green card lottery. A total of 55,000 green cards are awarded by lottery. Citizens of Mexico, Columbia, El Salvador, Ecuador, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Jamaica, amongst others, are ineligible to apply. That excludes 95% of the migrants showing up at the border. Incidentally Canadians, mainland Chinese, and many other countries are also excluded. People say those migrants should get in line to come in through the front door, but no door exists for them. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #27 July 7, 2014 IagoWe only have to watch Deerborn, MI to see what will happen. Immigrants have aways clustered together in pockets. It is human nature to want to be in familiar surroundings. In this case the Muslims were able to buy an entire city due to the economic downturn. They don't have to get along with the neighbors who might be Irish, or Greek, or Chinese.What solution do you suggest? Repeal the 1st Amendment? Maybe a little ethnic cleansing? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 July 7, 2014 quade*********Thanks for reminding us that knuckle-dragging xenophobia is part of the universal human condition everywhere in the world. It has an anthropological basis. I understand it. Shame we haven't outgrown it. OH EMM GEE! You make it sound like we are born that way! The same way you were born to take a crap whenever and wherever you'd like and fling it at whoever you're upset at. Pure animal instinct. Sure. MOST civilized people learn to control those urges. If only they could do the same with some other things. So . . which part are you not sure we YOU have outgrown? Hmmm?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 July 7, 2014 turtlespeed***The same way you were born to take a crap whenever and wherever you'd like and fling it at whoever you're upset at. Pure animal instinct. Sure. MOST civilized people learn to control those urges. If only they could do the same with some other things. So . . which part are you not sure we YOU have outgrown? Hmmm? Correct, Turtle! Congratulations! I do not really include you in the people who have outgrown poo flinging.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #30 July 7, 2014 jakeeQuoteNone, If the Tamils on the boat were not terrorists (and I have no reason to suspect that they were) then the only relevance is by association. The why did you call thenm terrorists and murderers? And what is the association? That they're the same ethnic group? They speak the same language? Why is that worth mentioning? QuoteThe whole point of this is that Australia has some of the toughest immigration laws in the world, A lot of would like to emigrate there So a bunch of european murderers who used genocidal tactics to force the aboriginies to concede territory in Australia now think they're entitled to keep it all for themselves. I bet you're just a bleeding heart who's fallen for their whingeing about how tough they have it! Quote"If a guy from Northern Ireland comes to your restaurant do you frisk him for nail bombs?" Why would I do that. Because according to you he's associated with the IRA. Bloody hell are you just being obtuse, I said they were pesky, they started the civil war when the Sri Lankans wouldn't concede to their demands, they are a foreign people living in a country that isn't theirs. Now after umpteen casualty's on both sides and the Northern part of Sri Lanka is open again to commerce again (Yes those pesky little buggers cost the country countless millions in lost commerce) I don't give a shit if they are real asylum seekers every country has it's own rules to enter, they are flouting the rules laid down by the Australian government. Now because the Australian government wouldn't let them in and eventually sent them back to their point of origin the bleeding hears and liberal world press are making them (the Australians) to look like heartless bastards. Maybe, and I don't know but years ago The Australians looked at the state of Europe and the US and said "Fuck that" we are going to control our borders. This has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. And what the hell has Norther Ireland got to do with this thread. As far as I know if a person from NI wanted or was stupid enough to cross the Irish sea in a coracle the English would welcome him/her for the endevour. I have no qualms about legal emigrants I am a emigrant my self. I moved to Catalunya before Spain was a full member of the European community I did it legally. I am an active member of the Catalan independence movement working within a LEGAL framework of trying to restore Països Catalans to independence, Note the word Legal. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #31 July 7, 2014 Quote Bloody hell are you just being obtuse, I said they were pesky, they started the civil war when the Sri Lankans wouldn't concede to their demands, You need to make up your mind, were the people on the boats combatants or not? Quote they are a foreign people living in a country that isn't theirs.... This has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. Oh I was so hoping you'd say that! The Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka for over a thousand years. White people have lived in Australia for two hundred. Would you care to reconsider your entire stupid fucking point? Quote And what the hell has Norther Ireland got to do with this thread. I'm just asking if you associate a white Northern Irishman with terrorism in the same way as you associate a brown Tamil with terrorism. Evidently the answer is noDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #32 July 7, 2014 QuoteThis has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. Morally, of course it does. The hypocrisy is palpable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #33 July 7, 2014 Zep So those pesky little Tamils from Southern India not content with starting a terrorist war in Northern Sri Lanka (Ceylon), then after causing mayhem and murder, getting their butts kicked by the Sri lankas, now have the audacity to ask for asylum in Australia. The worst of it is that the bleeding hearts and the PC of Australia want to give those trouble makers free entrance. Fuck em send them back to their home land. PS I'm a land owner in Southern Sri Lanka (Ceylon)Maybe you could cut the Australians a break and put up some of those asylum seekers in your 29,062 square foot house. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 July 7, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteThis has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. Morally, of course it does. The hypocrisy is palpable. Let me get this straight... you and all the other 'bleedin' hearts' and those who believe in let 'em all in', don't care who comes here? It doesn't bother you that they may be gang members, criminals or whatever? Just not in your back yard? Then you don't really care about this country. You just think our prisons are over-flowing... just 'let 'em all in'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 July 7, 2014 Quote you and all the other 'bleedin' hearts' you and all the other xenophobes QuoteThen you don't really care about this country. Clearly, you hate children and kittens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 July 7, 2014 masterrig***QuoteThis has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. Morally, of course it does. The hypocrisy is palpable. Let me get this straight... you and all the other 'bleedin' hearts' and those who believe in let 'em all in', don't care who comes here? It doesn't bother you that they may be gang members, criminals or whatever? Just not in your back yard? Then you don't really care about this country. You just think our prisons are over-flowing... just 'let 'em all in'. Chuck You would not want to deny an opportunity for any American their GOD given right to "stand their ground" now would ya.... That would be down right anti-Murican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #37 July 7, 2014 >How many of those immigrants went on government assistance? A good number of them. Heck, Romney's parents were on welfare. It's a pretty commonly used safety net. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #38 July 7, 2014 billvon>How many of those immigrants went on government assistance? A good number of them. Heck, Romney's parents were on welfare. It's a pretty commonly used safety net. The old man was a Mexican immigrant, too. So much for border control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #39 July 7, 2014 "You need to make up your mind, were the people on the boats combatants or not? " I have no Idea, "Oh I was so hoping you'd say that! The Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka for over a thousand years." That point I will concede, Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #40 July 7, 2014 Quote "You need to make up your mind, were the people on the boats combatants or not? " I have no Idea, So why do you keep bringing up the civil war as a reason to keep them out? Quote "Oh I was so hoping you'd say that! The Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka for over a thousand years." That point I will concede, So you're conceding your whole point. It's nice to se that some people in SC can change their mindsDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #41 July 7, 2014 masterrig *** Quote This has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous peoples of Australia or how the first settlers treated them that is history this is now. Morally, of course it does. The hypocrisy is palpable. Let me get this straight... you and all the other 'bleedin' hearts' and those who believe in let 'em all in', don't care who comes here? It doesn't bother you that they may be gang members, criminals or whatever? Just not in your back yard? Then you don't really care about this country. You just think our prisons are over-flowing... just 'let 'em all in'. Chuck They want to let all the prisoners out too... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 July 8, 2014 quade ******The same way you were born to take a crap whenever and wherever you'd like and fling it at whoever you're upset at. Pure animal instinct. Sure. MOST civilized people learn to control those urges. If only they could do the same with some other things. So . . which part are you not sure we YOU have outgrown? Hmmm? Correct, Turtle! Congratulations! I do not really include you in the people who have outgrown poo flinging. Congratulations on not even trying to answer the question and reverting to stupid PAs instead.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 July 8, 2014 turtlespeed *********The same way you were born to take a crap whenever and wherever you'd like and fling it at whoever you're upset at. Pure animal instinct. Sure. MOST civilized people learn to control those urges. If only they could do the same with some other things. So . . which part are you not sure we YOU have outgrown? Hmmm? Correct, Turtle! Congratulations! I do not really include you in the people who have outgrown poo flinging. Congratulations on not even trying to answer the question and reverting to stupid PAs instead.Oh go play with your ball... and don't fling that green thinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujitn7OOy7A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #44 July 8, 2014 ZepI don't give a shit if they are real asylum seekers every country has it's own rules to enter, they are flouting the rules laid down by the Australian government. Now because the Australian government wouldn't let them in and eventually sent them back to their point of origin the bleeding hears and liberal world press are making them (the Australians) to look like heartless bastards. If they are genuine refugees/asylum seekers, then the "rules" you're mentioning don't apply. There is no such thing as an illegal refugee - you're either a refugee or you're not. In this particular instance, the issue with sending them back isn't that it's upsetting some bleeding hearts, it's that it's arguably a violation of international law. I tend to get a bit testy when my representative government makes us look that shit on the world stage.You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #45 July 8, 2014 Andy9o8Thanks for reminding us that knuckle-dragging xenophobia is part of the universal human condition everywhere in the world. Didn't realize I had to remind you, just walk down any street in any country and you'll see it. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #46 July 8, 2014 jakee Quote "You need to make up your mind, were the people on the boats combatants or not? " I have no Idea, So why do you keep bringing up the civil war as a reason to keep them out? Quote "Oh I was so hoping you'd say that! The Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka for over a thousand years." That point I will concede, So you're conceding your whole point. It's nice to se that some people in SC can change their minds Yes I concede, you're far to astute for a country boy like me. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 July 8, 2014 Perhaps the Aussies.... like the rough end of the stick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
