Courageous Americans confront illegal immigrants

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

I wonder why we no longer have gang wars over alcohol???

Don

However, alcohol is often a factor.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,148]

rushmc

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/07/Leaked-Internal-DHS-Report-Admits-Lack-of-Deportation-Significant-Factor-in-Border-Crisis

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Leaked Internal DHS Report Admits Lack of Deportation Significant Factor in Border Crisis

Go figure

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/02/22/us/politics/growth-in-deportations.html?ref=us

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/07/Leaked-Internal-DHS-Report-Admits-Lack-of-Deportation-Significant-Factor-in-Border-Crisis

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Leaked Internal DHS Report Admits Lack of Deportation Significant Factor in Border Crisis

Go figure

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/02/22/us/politics/growth-in-deportations.html?ref=us

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/370784/obama-administration-inflating-deportation-numbers-andrew-stiles

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

Amazon

******I think requiring slave labor for federal benefits would be unconstitutional.

It appears that it is already a new form of slave trade. See my post #27.

All of the these arguments skirt the issue which is the movement to reduce the United States' position as a hegemon in favor of liberal internationalism. This would create a one world government. Guess what follows next?

Did Gen. Jack Ripper move into your compound up there in the hills?

Are you guys still worried about them coming for all those precious fluids???

You lost me on this one. I had to Google Gen JR.

Up here in the hills we mostly discuss Christ, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, college football and bear encounters.

The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/07/Leaked-Internal-DHS-Report-Admits-Lack-of-Deportation-Significant-Factor-in-Border-Crisis

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Leaked Internal DHS Report Admits Lack of Deportation Significant Factor in Border Crisis

Go figure

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/02/22/us/politics/growth-in-deportations.html?ref=us

or

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html#page=1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

Quote

Even better would be to send them to Guantanamo.

Even better would be to waterboard them. Just because.

[GeorgiaDon 380]

Quote

BTW, I believe that single parents are eligible for welfare. At least I remember a workshop in FL where we were advised to inform single male parents to apply for WIC support.

I'm quite certain you are correct about WIC, and suspect you are right about welfare. The point is that welfare is directed towards families with young children, not lazy-ass able-bodied adults who could work/go to school (so they can then get a job) but choose instead to do nothing productive.

The point of my earlier (long) post was that reality is complicated, and every "solution" to these problems will have a variety of effects, some good and some bad. Most knee-jerk suggestions (let's make prisoners pick the crops!) turn out to have really bad "unintended consequences". As the saying goes, "for every problem there is a solution that is obvious, simple, and wrong".

What we need is an economy that provides an abundance of jobs, and those jobs pay enough for people to actually live off of their paycheck. Also society has to provide people with the opportunity to get training (education) to do those jobs.

Instead we have an economy where many jobs (not just the dangerous/boring ones) are being replaced by automation. For example 30 years ago someone with a high school diploma could get a job as a bank teller, and (if they were good at it) could move up from there. Today there are very few bank teller positions, and you have to have a university degree in economics or business (or a good family connection) to get such a job. Thousands of tellers have been replaced by ATMs. It's like that across the board; most "job creation" these days is in service sector jobs that pay at or close to minimum wage.

Feeding into that is a mindset on the part of management that they are really worth 400X the salary of the people on the assembly line. I recall an episode I happened to see of "Shark Tank" where an entrepreneur wanted money to build a plant in Mississippi to produce some widgit he invented. One of the "sharks" was insistent that the guy build the plant in China. The argument was that they could produce the widgit for a couple of dollars less, but sell for the same price, and they (the shark and the entrepreneur) could pocket the money. To his credit the entrepreneur guy stuck to his guns, insisting that he owed it to his employees to keep the jobs Mississippi, and the shark guy then backed out of the deal. A year or two later they did an episode where they followed up on some people, including this entrepreneur, and it turned out he had found the money elsewhere, built the factory, was doing well himself, but just as important (to him) he was providing jobs for 25 or 30 people. We need a lot more of that type of thinking.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[dpreguy 14]

Read the article about "Most children will be sent home" bla bla.. I doubt it. Just a propaganda piece to quiet things down and hope the public will forget this issue. While at the same time, place thousands of these disease-ridden illegal refugee/gamers with illegal relatives already here, or fake relatives. "Placed" is a joke. This is a "game the system" scam to get illegal mothers and children and 18 year old gang guys into our country and dump them anywhere into latino-oriented communities. Their illegal status isn't given a second thought in these neighborhoods. Of course the first thing the social activist orgs., La Raza etc. and sympathizers will do is sign them up for welfare, etc. The 16, 17 and 18 year old males will quickly assimilate into existing gangs here. This is all manufactured and is a scam. All they seem to have to do to win the hearts and support of the immigration liberals and the media hand wringers is make up some bullshit story about being persecuted in their country.

I don't believe for one minute most will be sent home. This article is nothing more than White House propaganda to make the reading public think the problem is solved, or at least under control. It isn't. It is on the increase. "Will be sent home" is a joke. Send some home now and I will believe it. Will be sent home, will be sent home bla bla just sounds good. It ain't gonna happen.

[Andy9o8 2]

Iago

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Even better would be to send them to Guantanamo.

Even better would be to waterboard them. Just because.

It'll be just like going on vacation to a water park!

Great idea!



https://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/080608waterboard_thrill_ride.jpg

[billvon 3,118]

>The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Open elections. Most voters wanted him as president - twice.

[aphid 0]

dpreguy

This article is nothing more than White House propaganda to make the reading public think the problem is solved, or at least under control. It isn't. It is on the increase.

When I read something from the AP, I tend to accept it at face-value until evidence proves it wrong. Just my opinion, but I don't think AP (or Reuters, or UPI, or Agence France-Presse) is prone to knowingly regurgitating "propaganda".

I only offered it up as a counter-point to some of the other sources commonly quoted in these types of threads.

[RonD1120 62]

GeorgiaDon

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BTW, I believe that single parents are eligible for welfare. At least I remember a workshop in FL where we were advised to inform single male parents to apply for WIC support.

I'm quite certain you are correct about WIC, and suspect you are right about welfare. The point is that welfare is directed towards families with young children, not lazy-ass able-bodied adults who could work/go to school (so they can then get a job) but choose instead to do nothing productive.

The point of my earlier (long) post was that reality is complicated, and every "solution" to these problems will have a variety of effects, some good and some bad. Most knee-jerk suggestions (let's make prisoners pick the crops!) turn out to have really bad "unintended consequences". As the saying goes, "for every problem there is a solution that is obvious, simple, and wrong".

What we need is an economy that provides an abundance of jobs, and those jobs pay enough for people to actually live off of their paycheck. Also society has to provide people with the opportunity to get training (education) to do those jobs.

Instead we have an economy where many jobs (not just the dangerous/boring ones) are being replaced by automation. For example 30 years ago someone with a high school diploma could get a job as a bank teller, and (if they were good at it) could move up from there. Today there are very few bank teller positions, and you have to have a university degree in economics or business (or a good family connection) to get such a job. Thousands of tellers have been replaced by ATMs. It's like that across the board; most "job creation" these days is in service sector jobs that pay at or close to minimum wage.

Feeding into that is a mindset on the part of management that they are really worth 400X the salary of the people on the assembly line. I recall an episode I happened to see of "Shark Tank" where an entrepreneur wanted money to build a plant in Mississippi to produce some widgit he invented. One of the "sharks" was insistent that the guy build the plant in China. The argument was that they could produce the widgit for a couple of dollars less, but sell for the same price, and they (the shark and the entrepreneur) could pocket the money. To his credit the entrepreneur guy stuck to his guns, insisting that he owed it to his employees to keep the jobs Mississippi, and the shark guy then backed out of the deal. A year or two later they did an episode where they followed up on some people, including this entrepreneur, and it turned out he had found the money elsewhere, built the factory, was doing well himself, but just as important (to him) he was providing jobs for 25 or 30 people. We need a lot more of that type of thinking.

Don

We are on the same page.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

>The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Open elections. Most voters wanted him as president - twice.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally.

My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Amazon 7]

RonD1120

***>The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Open elections. Most voters wanted him as president - twice.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally.

My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it.

So the people in your area... that discuss the last two elections.... can't figure out the system of government and the electoral college that the founding fathers set in place???

[normiss 897]

I didn't realize the POTUS was elected based on popular vote!

[billvon 3,118]

>I didn't realize the POTUS was elected based on popular vote!

It's not! Indeed, lately it has been worth noting the occasions where a president wins both the popular _and_ the electoral vote.

[normiss 897]

[RonD1120 62]

Amazon

******>The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Open elections. Most voters wanted him as president - twice.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally.

My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it.

So the people in your area... that discuss the last two elections.... can't figure out the system of government and the electoral college that the founding fathers set in place???

C'mon don't become obtuse like billvon.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[funjumper101 15]

Amazon

******>The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected?

Open elections. Most voters wanted him as president - twice.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally.

My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it.

So the people in your area... that discuss the last two elections.... can't figure out the system of government and the electoral college that the founding fathers set in place???

It is hard to be profoundy ignorant of basic facts, unless you surround yourself with people who are as profoundly ignorant as you are. Unless one associates with intelligent, educated, well informed people, ignorance can be hard to avoid.

You can end up believing patently ridiculous things like BHO is a rabid Socialist, and has no respect for the US Constitution. You could end up believing that the Social Security and Medicare systems pay out only those benefits that you paid into the system, with no other taxpayers subsidizing your SOCIALIST government benefits.

Some people lead a blissful existence... not related to their religious beliefs.