ibx 2 #26 July 4, 2014 QuoteAs stated above, most of the benefit of an unrestricted gun policy is not defense, but deterrence. Like the death penalty is good deterrence for murder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #27 July 4, 2014 ibx Quote As stated above, most of the benefit of an unrestricted gun policy is not defense, but deterrence. Like the death penalty is good deterrence for murder? 0% of people executed commit murder afterwards. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #28 July 4, 2014 ibxQuoteBut if it came down to a punk teenager pulling off an armed robbery or my 5 year old son, the choice is easy. How is that even comparable? If somebody threatens your son with a gun I think you may have a point. If you are in store thats being held up I would think the best for your son would be to not get involved. Agreed. If I am unarmed, I can only hope that after he gets through robbing and shooting the clerk, he doesn't turn his attention to the "witnesses." Sometimes you don't have a choice if you want to be involved or not."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #29 July 4, 2014 Amazon ***My question is are they asking or telling. Guess we gotta wait and see if they put the firearm free stickers on the door. Also is this for open carry(stupid carry IMO) or concealed also. I am not really an open carry advocate.. why go out of your way to antagonize the idiots and scare the poor fuckers who are already afraid of their own shadows..Right, the idea is that you must conceal your personal lifestyle in order to protect your freedoms that others may find offensive. I went with my younger cousin to his hunter safety course...they spent hours on the importance of limiting your exposure. They taught that you should change out of your camo and into normal clothing when asking other land owners to track our kill on their property. They taught about concealing your kill while in transit. All of this was about not offending people who could threaten our sport. Yet, it amazes me that the same people who teach these classes are the same hunters who feel the need to have competitions and hang their deer right alongside of the road in a parking lot of the grocery store sponsoring the contest. It's almost as bad (stupid) as parading homosexuality....you're just asking for trouble.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #30 July 4, 2014 I guarantee you these people wish one of them had a gun! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders Remember they don't always take the money and leave. There are witnesses...sometimes they just want to kill! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #31 July 4, 2014 For a little more fun at the PC crowd, look at the NAACP trying to ger murders out of jail using the race card! QuoteAppeals Following the defendants' receipt of death sentences, the NAACP campaigned to commute Pierre and Andrews' death sentences.[14] The NAACP demanded that Pierre and Andrews' death sentences should be revoked because they had been unfairly convicted since they were both black, and the victims and jury were all white. Andrews was also quick to accuse the judicial system of racism following the NAACP's request for reduced sentences. In an interview with USA Today, he claimed that he had never intended to kill anyone. This was later rebutted when detectives cited a statement by Andrews in which he admitted being the one to purchase the drain cleaner and bring it to the store on the night of the killings.[15] Despite motions by the NAACP and Amnesty International, both death sentences were ultimately upheld.[16] The Deseret News reports that Dale Selby Pierre said, to no one in particular, moments before his execution: "I'll be glad when this is over."[12] When asked if he had any final words, he responded, "Thank you. I'm just going to say my prayers."[13] Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 July 4, 2014 jgoose71 ******Meanwhile, this place seems to be doing just fine. Think they have been robbed?http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/ The question really is do they have the mindset..... to actually use those weapons. A lot of "trained" CCW and LEO find themselves with out the mindset and when the adrenaline starts messing with them and that tiny little Animal brain takes over.... they freeze. Standing at the range in a static position killing paper is one of the worst ways to train.. it builds muscle memory in all the wrong ways. While you are correct that no one knows how they will react on a two-way shooting range until they find them selves on one, That is not the real question. Anyone who has taken a self defence class or spent over a minute in the military will tell you that portraying yourself as a hard target it the key to deterring an attack. Not quite sure a sign that says "gun free zone" will do that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure a sign that says "all of our staff is armed and trained" no matter what the level of training is, or if they are even armes for that matter, might make a criminal think twice. Bad guys love soft targets.... If you think Target made this decisions while being worried about armed robbery, you are deluding yourself. This decision was made fully with their target customer in mind. They don't want to see armed people in the store. It really is as simple as that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 July 4, 2014 QuoteIt's almost as bad (stupid) as parading homosexuality....you're just asking for trouble. But what about a homosexual parading his dead deer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #34 July 4, 2014 Hhhhhmmm I would like to see this enforced here. Lol Not happening.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #35 July 4, 2014 Hmmmm, good point. I suppose I'd give him a pass on that one, unless of course it was a fawn. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 July 4, 2014 Coreece*** A lot of "trained" CCW and LEO find themselves with out the mindset and when the adrenaline starts messing with them and that tiny little Animal brain takes over.... they freeze. Standing at the range in a static position killing paper is one of the worst ways to train.. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable with this: Self Defense Courses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPWPOZ5rTMI&feature=kp Nah I will leave that to those who live on U Tube Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #37 July 4, 2014 QuoteFor a little more fun at the PC crowd, look at the NAACP trying to ger murders out of jail using the race card! Holy "nothing to do with this thread, Batman" And trying to get death sentences commuted is not trying to get murderers out of jail. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #38 July 4, 2014 Did you see that the post was an aside from the link I posted confirming the right/need to concealed carry? Diddnt think so. They were playing the race card, and trying to play down murder was the point. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #39 July 4, 2014 SkyDekker *********Meanwhile, this place seems to be doing just fine. Think they have been robbed?http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/ The question really is do they have the mindset..... to actually use those weapons. A lot of "trained" CCW and LEO find themselves with out the mindset and when the adrenaline starts messing with them and that tiny little Animal brain takes over.... they freeze. Standing at the range in a static position killing paper is one of the worst ways to train.. it builds muscle memory in all the wrong ways. While you are correct that no one knows how they will react on a two-way shooting range until they find them selves on one, That is not the real question. Anyone who has taken a self defence class or spent over a minute in the military will tell you that portraying yourself as a hard target it the key to deterring an attack. Not quite sure a sign that says "gun free zone" will do that. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure a sign that says "all of our staff is armed and trained" no matter what the level of training is, or if they are even armes for that matter, might make a criminal think twice. Bad guys love soft targets.... If you think Target made this decisions while being worried about armed robbery, you are deluding yourself. This decision was made fully with their target customer in mind. They don't want to see armed people in the store. It really is as simple as that. And that is fine. At the same time I won't be going to Target any more. Being a family man I don't want to go into a store that begs to be robbed."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #40 July 4, 2014 Amazon ***My question is are they asking or telling. Guess we gotta wait and see if they put the firearm free stickers on the door. Also is this for open carry(stupid carry IMO) or concealed also. I am not really an open carry advocate.. why go out of your way to antagonize the idiots and scare the poor fuckers who are already afraid of their own shadows..Sounds like they are asking the Open Carry Agitators to stop. Very similar to what happened with Starbucks. It sounds like Target isn't going to "Post Prohibited", but they want the fools who are (figuratively) shoving their "Right to Bear Arms" in everyone's face. The "sheep" have been convinced that guns are bad, so when they see a gun, they panic. And Target doesn't want panicked customers, they want happy people who spend money. The guys that were mostly responsible for concealed carry becoming law in both Wisconsin and Minnesota have the phrase "don't scare the women or the horses." IOW, don't be blatant about having a gun, which tends to panic the sheep. I'm all in favor of the 2nd amendment and a fairly active and proficient shooter. But the people who open carry simply to make a statement are (figuratively) shooting themselves in the foot by these displays. Especially when they do it on private property, like in a retail establishment. Doing it in public tends to attract the attention of the cops, but doesn't put store owners in the tough spot of deciding to choose which customers (pro- or anti-gun) to lean towards. Public open carry, detained by cops: http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/rifles-near-appleton-farmers-market-lead-to-police-debate-b9996773z1-223514231.html Local to me, all over the news at the time it happened."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #41 July 7, 2014 QuoteAnd that is fine. At the same time I won't be going to Target any more. Being a family man I don't want to go into a store that begs to be robbed. That comment is just as retarded as the anti-gun crowd's "the streets will run red with blood". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
