Supreme Court Allows Employers to Discriminate Against Employees by Denying Contraception Coverage

[rushmc 23]

Amazon

***you know the ugly lie of all this?

no one is being denied anything

I think the female workers of the company.. already paid a pittance by their corporate owners.... would disagree with you...... but hey.. as long as you can't see it I guess it does not exist.

What are they being denied?

Does Hobby Lobby have people in stores stopping thier employees from getting anything?

To follow your logic

My company does not pay for my dish for my tv
They then must be dening me the right to watch tv

They dont by my tires
These bastards are dening the the right to drive

Only one is blind here
And it not me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

I wonder if I can sue the IRS so I don't have to pay taxes to support government programs that go against my strongly held beliefs.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,148]

Here's a good one for those sincerely held beliefs:

Deuteronomy 15:1

15 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.

2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release.

I wonder if the Green family forgives the debts of those who owe them money every 7 years.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Andy9o8 2]

kallend

I wonder if I can sue the IRS so I don't have to pay taxes to support government programs that go against my strongly held beliefs.

Of course you can.
Which is to say, if you take your complaint down to the Federal courthouse and pay the necessary filing and service of process fees, the court clerk will file your complaint and assign the case a docket number, and the US Marshall service will serve the complaint on the IRS.

[kallend 2,148]

Andy9o8

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I wonder if I can sue the IRS so I don't have to pay taxes to support government programs that go against my strongly held beliefs.

Of course you can.
Which is to say, if you take your complaint down to the Federal courthouse and pay the necessary filing and service of process fees, the court clerk will file your complaint and assign the case a docket number, and the US Marshall service will serve the complaint on the IRS.

But will Alito get to rule on it?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DanG 1]

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But will Alito get to rule on it?

It might help if you can somehow tie your anti-tax beliefs with Catholic liturgy.

- Dan G

[Andy9o8 2]

DanG

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But will Alito get to rule on it?

It might help if you can somehow tie your anti-tax beliefs with Catholic liturgy.

I was going to answer "it won't go anywhere", but you raise a good caveat.

[billvon 3,118]

>Does Hobby Lobby have people in stores stopping thier employees from getting anything?

It will be interesting to see what the right wing does when an Arab company operating in the US implements Sharia Law in their health care coverage. It will be fun to watch heads explode.

[jclalor 12]

Yet they say the tax payers can buy them Dish?

Please elaborate.

[rushmc 23]

Dish network

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

billvon

>Does Hobby Lobby have people in stores stopping thier employees from getting anything?

It will be interesting to see what the right wing does when an Arab company operating in the US implements Sharia Law in their health care coverage. It will be fun to watch heads explode.

That was my immediate thought on the ruling. Christian objections to (insert healthcare benefit here) are fine in their eyes but I bet islamic ones aren't.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[Amazon 7]

rushmc

******you know the ugly lie of all this?

no one is being denied anything

I think the female workers of the company.. already paid a pittance by their corporate owners.... would disagree with you...... but hey.. as long as you can't see it I guess it does not exist.

What are they being denied?

Does Hobby Lobby have people in stores stopping thier employees from getting anything?

To follow your logic

My company does not pay for my dish for my tv
They then must be dening me the right to watch tv

They dont by my tires
These bastards are dening the the right to drive

Only one is blind here
And it not me


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH.

Hey I get it... really I do.. you can't see it and it has no effect on you.. so it does not matter that something like healthcare can be applied equally for all people. Some of the Animals deserve to be more equal.

[Coreece 190]

Stumpy

***>Does Hobby Lobby have people in stores stopping thier employees from getting anything?

It will be interesting to see what the right wing does when an Arab company operating in the US implements Sharia Law in their health care coverage. It will be fun to watch heads explode.

That was my immediate thought on the ruling. Christian objections to (insert healthcare benefit here) are fine in their eyes but I bet islamic ones aren't.

This is not a Christian objection...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[DanG 1]

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This is not a Coreece's personal definition of Christian objection...

FIFY

- Dan G

[billvon 3,118]

>>Christian objections to (insert healthcare benefit here) are fine in their eyes
>>but I bet islamic ones aren't.

>This is not a Christian objection...

Yes, it is, and the next one may well be an Islamic objection. Women out of hijab? Sorry, we have a religious objection to providing them with healthcare.

(From the suit - "The Green family's religious beliefs forbid them from participating in, providing access to, paying for, training others to engage in, or otherwise supporting abortion-causing drugs and devices.")

[quade 4]

Bill, you need to remember that some people, like Coreece, have a very specific definition of what is and isn't "Christian." For example, Coreece has previously stated that he doesn't believe Catholics are "Christian."

So, while that pretty much flies in the face of logic, it enables some other tortured logic that allows him to say this also isn't "Christian."

Let's also be clear, Coreece is wrong. The Green family absolutely believes they are "Christian" and in doing so, they are every bit as "Christian" as anyone else who claims to be.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Coreece 190]

No, I believe that Catholicism, at least on paper does not represent biblical Christianity. Most Catholics seem to be unaware of the specifics of Catholic doctrine, much like myself before I actually decided to read the book for myself and compare it to the paganism that's been shoved down my throat.

This is all beside the point tho...

As I said:

It's highly unlikely that Christians can use biblical references to condemn the use of contraception...it's just not there.

There are references however that could be used to support the idea of sexual pleasure without the intent of reproduction:

Proverbs 5:18-19
Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe.
Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.

Song of Solomon 1:2,4,13
Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine....Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers... A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:3
The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

billvon

>>Christian objections to (insert healthcare benefit here) are fine in their eyes
>>but I bet islamic ones aren't.

>This is not a Christian objection...

Yes, it is

No it's not...please provide a biblical case that condemns the use of contraception.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

I like Alito's suggestion:

When a corporation-person has an unfounded and incorrect belief that gets them off the hook for paying for an employee benefit, then TAXPAYERS can pick up the tab.

Nice one, Sam. Let middle class taxpayers bail out the billionaires.

ECHO ECHo ECho Echo echo . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,118]

>No it's not...please provide a biblical case that condemns the use of contraception.

I didn't say Biblical. I said Christian. They are not even close to the same thing.

[Coreece 190]

billvon

>No it's not...please provide a biblical case that condemns the use of contraception.

I didn't say Biblical. I said Christian. They are not even close to the same thing.

It seems to be headed in that direction, which I guess is the point.

But in all of this I somehow managed to overlook an important biblical principle.

Romans 14:5
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Other versus deal with the idea of sacrificing your own freedom for the sake of the conscience of a weaker believer. So just because I think it's ok to use contraception, that doesn't mean that I should in any way convince another believer to violate their conscience if they feel it to be wrong...

The problem I have with this particular instance is that Hobby Lobby invests into the various companies that produce the contraceptives in question, so it seems like contraception is objectionable to them not because of their faith, but only when it costs them money.

Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[quade 4]

Coreece

Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

So, wait . . . you're telling me people like Rick Warren, and Billy Graham, and Paul Crouch, and L. Ron Hubbard, and . . .


They're all con men?

No!

Really?

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Coreece 190]

Perhaps...

but what could you possibly know about it?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[quade 4]

Coreece

Perhaps...
but what could you possibly know about it?

Oh, I see, you assume I don't come from a religious family and have no exposure to religious conmen.

Yeah, what do YOU know about it?

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Coreece 190]

quade

***Perhaps...
but what could you possibly know about it?

Oh, I see, you assume I don't come from a religious family and have no exposure to religious conmen.

Fine then, provide something of substance showing Rick Warren as a possible con...

Funny how you can call all those guys cons, but then ridicule me for doing the same with regard to Catholicism and it's religious leaders who should know better...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...