billvon 3,132 #26 June 15, 2014 > I'm guessing they even knew each other - probably trying to settle some old 20 >year score where one tried to steal the other's squirrel. Probably a lot simpler. Guy 1 got mad, yelled at guy 2, called him nasty names. Guy 2 felt threatened and took out his gun to "stand his ground" or "not be one of the sheeple" or "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" or whatever the popular local saying is. Guy 1 saw a gun, feared for his life, drew his gun and fired. Guy 2 saw a gun appear so he fired. No need for any past animosity if they're both of that mindset. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #27 June 15, 2014 Quotewaiting for toxicology and autopsy reports to see if alcohol or drugs were involved. Im betting they were both heading back from a bar. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #28 June 15, 2014 Carrying a loaded weapon in your car is not carrying concealed. Carrying on your person is. At least in this state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #29 June 15, 2014 normiss Carrying a loaded weapon in your car is not carrying concealed. Carrying on your person is. At least in this state. Right, and I know it varies state to state as well, hence my comment was just my opinion. In the locked glovebox / trunk / case I would consider definitely not "carrying." In a holster on you? Definitely "carrying." In a holster / stowed location in the vehicle that's easily/quickly accessible from the driver's seat and you're in the drivers seat? Eh... materially no different from "carrying." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #30 June 16, 2014 champu ***Carrying a loaded weapon in your car is not carrying concealed. Carrying on your person is. At least in this state. Right, and I know it varies state to state as well, hence my comment was just my opinion. In the locked glovebox / trunk / case I would consider definitely not "carrying." In a holster on you? Definitely "carrying." In a holster / stowed location in the vehicle that's easily/quickly accessible from the driver's seat and you're in the drivers seat? Eh... materially no different from "carrying." Right, its about accessibility...but drunks tend to be very determined even if it's locked in the glove box/trunk. If you're too stupid/irrespinsible to drink and drive with a hand gun in your car, then IMO you're stupid enough to get a lifetime CCW revocation. ...However, I'm not saying that a CCW revocation would've necessarily prevented this incident.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #31 June 16, 2014 billvon> I'm guessing they even knew each other - probably trying to settle some old 20 >year score where one tried to steal the other's squirrel. Probably a lot simpler. Guy 1 got mad, yelled at guy 2, called him nasty names. Guy 2 felt threatened and took out his gun to "stand his ground" or "not be one of the sheeple" or "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" or whatever the popular local saying is. Guy 1 saw a gun, feared for his life, drew his gun and fired. Guy 2 saw a gun appear so he fired. No need for any past animosity if they're both of that mindset. Pullman didn't have to stop at the carwash, especially with his wife and mother in the car....prior to that, it wasn't a stand your ground case.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 June 16, 2014 kallend Drunk with car - clear danger to society. Drunk with gun - no problem. Only in America. You'll find limit support even among gun owners for handling their weapons when drunk. But...drunk drivers kill > 20k / year. If you simplistically blamed every gun accident on alcohol (gross overcount) and any incident among strangers leaving bars, you'd be hard pressed to get to 1000. And it's hardly surprising. It doesn't take motor skills to carry a gun. It takes them to shoot the gun. And the impaired judgement doesn't get you to forget that its generally a felony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 June 16, 2014 AmazonFriggin dumbasses. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/ Sorry but when you are a freaking dumbass there is always a bigger dumbass out there. Stand your ground boys. Thank god there were guns around to keep everybody safe. Clearly an armed population is a polite population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #34 June 16, 2014 QuoteI just ran a check on the addresses of both men involved. Neither one lived in a trailer park: Yes....but did they have plastic pink flamingoes in their front yard? Could I encourage you to follow up on that one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #35 June 16, 2014 I'm outraged!!! If they hadn't had guns they would have been equally violent with pointed sticks and pieces of fruit! Why do you hate dumbasses?Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #36 June 16, 2014 Generally, people are permitted to stop where they please. In full compliance with the law as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #37 June 16, 2014 normissGenerally, people are permitted to stop where they please. In full compliance with the law as well. Well, I'm under the impression that there was "road rage" and then they both pulled into a parking lot to "settle their differences." Doesn't sound like a stand your ground case to me...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 June 16, 2014 normissGenerally, people are permitted to stop where they please. In full compliance with the law as well. Well now..... both of them get to stop in the local cemetery... in full compliance with local laws of where to take a long long dirt nap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #39 June 16, 2014 For all we know given the reports, it's possible somebody pulled over in an effort to stop the road rage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #40 June 16, 2014 >For all we know given the reports, it's possible somebody pulled over in an effort >to stop the road rage. True. In which case the problem was that one of the people involved in the original road rage didn't have a gun. They could have dealt with their problem right there in the road, rather than pulling over and involving other people. (Important note - if they had shot each other while driving, and their then driverless cars killed someone else that would NOT have been a gun fatality. It would have been a car fatality. BAN CARS! and spoons.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #41 June 16, 2014 Or the raging asshole could continue driving on to his destination. Would you advise to simply continue driving and trying to ignore a road rager? I have previously preferred to drive a different route to my destination when I've encountered road rage. With a weapon in my car as well. Or two for that matter. My guns didn't even get the temper raised. They never told me to shoot anybody either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #42 June 16, 2014 >Or the raging asshole could continue driving on to his destination. What? And be a sheep? For shame! (Agreed, actually - but if they did that they wouldn't be raging assholes.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
