Amazon 7 #1 June 13, 2014 Friggin dumbasses. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/ Sorry but when you are a freaking dumbass there is always a bigger dumbass out there. Stand your ground boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #2 June 13, 2014 AmazonFriggin dumbasses. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/ Sorry but when you are a freaking dumbass there is always a bigger dumbass out there. Stand your ground boys. CCW enables Darwin.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #3 June 13, 2014 http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm And some want guns everywhere. How are we to know which one of these modern day John Waynes will pull and kill? We do not."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 June 13, 2014 freethefly http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm And some want guns everywhere. How are we to know which one of these modern day John Waynes will pull and kill? We do not. This is the kind of shit that just drives me nuts. There really are millions of responsible owners who handle weapons properly, store them properly and have given thought to what scenarios they might encounter where extracting your weapon from its place of concealment is justified. But these two Darwin Award winners harm those of us who have always been responsible, just another punch in the gut from the dumbasses among us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #5 June 13, 2014 The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a bad guy with a gun. Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #6 June 13, 2014 What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon.Not to mention a weapons violation. Quote Taylor had a misdemeanor conviction in 2006 for driving while intoxicated and separately for carrying a gun in the car, Ionia County Prosecutor Robert Schafer told ABC News. As a result, his concealed weapons license was revoked for three years. He eventually applied and received a new license four years later in 2010, Schafer said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 June 13, 2014 jclalor What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon. where do you see that his drivers license was suspended for longer than 3 years here? It varies by state, but I suspect it was only 6 months. When it said he applied for a license after 4 years, it referred to the CCW. http://dui.drivinglaws.org/michigan.php Now it certainly is a black mark for the CCW population, but it remains rare after 2 decades of large scale permits, and we don't (most of us) convict the entire LEO profession when one guy does bad shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 June 13, 2014 kelpdiver ***What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon. where do you see that his drivers license was suspended for longer than 3 years here? It varies by state, but I suspect it was only 6 months. When it said he applied for a license after 4 years, it referred to the CCW. http://dui.drivinglaws.org/michigan.php Now it certainly is a black mark for the CCW population, but it remains rare after 2 decades of large scale permits, and we don't (most of us) convict the entire LEO profession when one guy does bad shit. Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 June 13, 2014 Amazon Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. they were 56 and 43, so while it's possible they could still be pissing in from the edges, the damage was probably already done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #10 June 14, 2014 jclalor What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon. First offense is maybe 6 months restricted license for work. Second offense within 7 or 10 years is a license revocation. I can understand a CCW reinstatement even after 2 DUI's. 3rd DUI is typically considered a felony so it doesn't really matter -No more guns. However, I have a problem with DUI's while in possession of a hand gun. (and no, I don't mean me personally)Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #11 June 14, 2014 Amazon Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. Hey, it wasn't too long ago when it was "ok" for big time politicians to challenge each other to duels and blow each other away, less be deemed a coward...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #12 June 14, 2014 kelpdiver*** Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. they were 56 and 43, so while it's possible they could still be pissing in from the edges, the damage was probably already done. Wow...56 and 43? I would've thought late 20's early 30's... Ionia is a pretty small town...Seems everyone knew them. I'm guessing they even knew each other - probably trying to settle some old 20 year score where one tried to steal the other's squirrel...Drinking/drugs were probably involved. I'd say they were probably typical Michigan rednecks, but they were driving a Taurus and PT Cruiser...sounds more like trailer trash to me... Thing that bugs me the most is that dumbass had his wife and mother in the car...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 June 14, 2014 Coreece ***Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. Hey, it wasn't too long ago when it was "ok" for big time politicians to challenge each other to duels and blow each other away, less be deemed a coward...Sounds good for me... and no turning of the shoulder to the fire. Man the fuck up and receive fire if you are that stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #14 June 14, 2014 Amazon ******Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. Hey, it wasn't too long ago when it was "ok" for big time politicians to challenge each other to duels and blow each other away, less be deemed a coward...Sounds good for me... and no turning of the shoulder to the fire. Man the fuck up and receive fire if you are that stupid. Are you calling our founding fathers, stupid?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 June 14, 2014 Coreece *********Hey at least they solved their own problems. They removed themselves from the gene pool.. sounds like a major plus to me. Hey, it wasn't too long ago when it was "ok" for big time politicians to challenge each other to duels and blow each other away, less be deemed a coward...Sounds good for me... and no turning of the shoulder to the fire. Man the fuck up and receive fire if you are that stupid. Are you calling our founding fathers, stupid? Yeah.. it worked so well for Alexander Hamilton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #16 June 14, 2014 Apparently it's who we are...it's in our blood. ...well, not mine...I'm Polish.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #17 June 14, 2014 CoreeceApparently it's who we are...it's in our blood. ...well, not mine...I'm Polish. Explains a lot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #18 June 14, 2014 kallend ***Apparently it's who we are...it's in our blood. ...well, not mine...I'm Polish. Explains a lot. Bom bom Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 905 #19 June 14, 2014 Judgmental much? wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #20 June 14, 2014 My apologies... I just ran a check on the addresses of both men involved. Neither one lived in a trailer park: Robert Taylor - Typical small town neighborhood https://www.google.com/maps/@42.985472,-85.060355,3a,75y,323.45h,84.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sL26UmYR2oJsUSv9x-TUHpw!2e0 James Pullum - Typical Michigan rural area https://www.google.com/maps/@42.997076,-84.995384,3a,75y,351.73h,85.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssqWoHI3p0nYXFN2tofPSfg!2e0 Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #21 June 14, 2014 jclalor What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon.Not to mention a weapons violation. Here's some information with regard to Robert Taylor's weapons violation: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/09/robert_taylor_one_of_two_who_d.html Apparently the weapons charge was dropped: Quote If someone is convicted of carrying a concealed weapon while intoxicated, a lifetime revocation is ordered if their blood-alcohol level is 0.10 or higher. Schafer said the decision to drop the weapons charge was made because, in this case, "the gun had nothing to do with the drunken driving." The gun, a 9 mm handgun, was tucked in between the driver and passenger seats. "It was a guy who had too much to drink, but also had a gun in his car," he said. The threat to the community was the drunken driving, not the gun, Schafer said. Wow...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #22 June 14, 2014 Coreece ***What a country, where a drunk driving affects your drivers license longer than your permit to carry a concealed weapon.Not to mention a weapons violation. Here's some information with regard to Robert Taylor's weapons violation: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/09/robert_taylor_one_of_two_who_d.html Apparently the weapons charge was dropped: Quote If someone is convicted of carrying a concealed weapon while intoxicated, a lifetime revocation is ordered if their blood-alcohol level is 0.10 or higher. Schafer said the decision to drop the weapons charge was made because, in this case, "the gun had nothing to do with the drunken driving." The gun, a 9 mm handgun, was tucked in between the driver and passenger seats. "It was a guy who had too much to drink, but also had a gun in his car," he said. The threat to the community was the drunken driving, not the gun, Schafer said. Wow... I really liked the last sentence on your link: "He was nothing ever than a polite law-abiding citizen, though," he said. "He just really knew his firearms." I would think that cops would be none too happy pulling over intoxicated drivers with guns between the seats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #23 June 15, 2014 Quote***"It was a guy who had too much to drink, but also had a gun in his car," he said. The threat to the community was the drunken driving, not the gun, Schafer said. Drunk with car - clear danger to society. Drunk with gun - no problem. Only in America.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 June 15, 2014 kallendQuote***"It was a guy who had too much to drink, but also had a gun in his car," he said. The threat to the community was the drunken driving, not the gun, Schafer said. Drunk with car - clear danger to society. Drunk with gun - no problem. Only in America. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay. No one is holding a gun to your head saying, "YOU MUST STAY HERE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO ENGLAND!"I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #25 June 15, 2014 kallendQuote"It was a guy who had too much to drink, but also had a gun in his car," he said. The threat to the community was the drunken driving, not the gun, Schafer said. Drunk with car - clear danger to society. Drunk with gun - no problem. Only in America. What's that you like to say about our opinions on the internet versus the opinions of the court system? That said, having a (presumably loaded) handgun tucked in next to your seat while driving does cross over from "merely having a gun in the car" to "carrying concealed" in my opinion. But I wasn't at the traffic stop and I wasn't involved in the court proceedings. You'll note the specific detail of the gun's location was not presented as a quotation in the article, so that's the author's description of where the gun was. If there's a gun somewhere in one's house and a car in one's garage and that person is at home and drunk, I don't consider either to be a "threat to the community" because he or she is not operating either of them. If it is possible for there to be a gun in one's car that they are not legally considered to be operating, and I believe that's true, then it is possible for one to merely be driving drunk and to be cited as such, even though there is also a gun in the car. That's what the court decided in this case. I don't like the idea of looking at a situation like this and concluding, "Well, if only we'd aggressively thrown the book at this guy he wouldn't have the right to have a gun anymore." DAs don't need any more encouragement to routinely throw the book at everyone they come across. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
