Who would've ever guessed?

[freethefly 6]

jclalor

******So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just following the agreement Bush put in place!"

Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

You funny.

Well, there are a few details you've left out but, thats ok

Have you ever served in the military?

I can answer that one. No, he did not. He much rather sit back and let others put themselves in harms way while he enjoys what us veterans and current service men and women gave. That is alright as not everyone is capable or should ever serve. Some are better to stay here and continue with their education and or man the assembly lines in our factories (when we had them before the CEO's sent them to other countries.) In Marcs' case, however, my assessment (from what I know of him from this board) is that he is nothing more than a hawk with a loud squawk. In other words, not capable to handle the stress.

Proud veteran, Hull Technician, 2nd Class Petty Officer, USS Okinawa LPH-3.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[jclalor 12]

freethefly

*********So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just following the agreement Bush put in place!"

Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

You funny.

Well, there are a few details you've left out but, thats ok

Have you ever served in the military?

I can answer that one. No, he did not. He much rather sit back and let others put themselves in harms way while he enjoys what us veterans and current service men and women gave. That is alright as not everyone is capable or should ever serve. Some are better to stay here and continue with their education and or man the assembly lines in our factories (when we had them before the CEO's sent them to other countries.) In Marcs' case, however, my assessment (from what I know of him from this board) is that he is nothing more than a hawk with a loud squawk. In other words, not capable to handle the stress.

Proud veteran, Hull Technician, 2nd Class Petty Officer, USS Okinawa LPH-3.

My first assignment on board the USS Constellation CV 64 was to go below and find a "HT punch"

[normiss 891]

Right next to the box of water line.

[jclalor 12]

normiss

Right next to the box of water line.

Exactly.

[normiss 891]

Being a DS and maintaining the computers on board, we would send sailors to the SK for a box of cursors.


Look out for sea bats!

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

******Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

Quote

Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Troops have been gone since December 2011...so almost two and a half years.

How long should the US have kept troops in Iraq to keep you happy Marc? And how do you reconcile that with your wish to curb spending?

Oh, and what would the Democrats have to gain by a civil war in Iraq?

You really read an aricle like that and have an "aha" moment?

Aha moment?


that is funny
what is happening was predicted and predictable

Gotta think the peace loving people of Iraq think very highly now of the US and the US standing with them

Come on man
there was NO doubt this was coming
And the Democrats could give a fuck less

Did you ever about think what the difference would be in Vietnam if the the US left in 1969 instead of 1975?

It wouldn't mean jack shit for Vietnam, but it would mean tens of thousand of Americans would still be alive.


But using your logic, it was that no good son of a bitch Ford that surrendered to the Communist in Vietnam. Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon didn't have a damn thing to do with it.

[DanG 1]

For those wishing to actually learn about what's going on there, as opposed to trying to score points, here is a very good article. Yes, it is opinion, but it is educated and thoughtful opinion. The words "Obama" and "Bush" do not appear in the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/opinion/pregent-harvey-northern-iraq-collapse/

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

For those wishing to actually learn about what's going on there, as opposed to trying to score points, here is a very good article. Yes, it is opinion, but it is educated and thoughtful opinion. The words "Obama" and "Bush" do not appear in the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/opinion/pregent-harvey-northern-iraq-collapse/

A bit of info you have chozen to omit is the fact that Bush was going to leave 20 to 30 troops in Iraq
Obama did not want to do this so he did not

This is also for those who wish to have facts and ignore political point making

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

***For those wishing to actually learn about what's going on there, as opposed to trying to score points, here is a very good article. Yes, it is opinion, but it is educated and thoughtful opinion. The words "Obama" and "Bush" do not appear in the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/opinion/pregent-harvey-northern-iraq-collapse/

A bit of info you have chozen to omit is the fact that Bush was going to leave 20 to 30 troops in Iraq
Obama did not want to do this so he did not

This is also for those who wish to have facts and ignore political point making

Your ignorance on the subject is embarrassing, did you ever read the actual status of forces agreement that the Bush administration signed?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

[jclalor 12]

Can you cite evidence that bush planned to leave 20 thousand troops in Iraq?

Here's my proof:

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The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1] The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[1] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[2][3][1][4]

[rushmc 23]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0612/p01s01-woiq.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0612/p01s01-woiq.html

Your continued ignorance is even more embarrassing, the article you cite was written in 2007 , Bush signed the SOFA in 2008.

You should really stick to gun threads.

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0612/p01s01-woiq.html

Do you even bother to read the shit you post?

From your link:


"We are going to have to be in Iraq for a number of years still, but to talk in terms of a number of decades is not helpful," says Brookings' O'Hanlon. "Despite our best efforts, we have been part of the reason for the turmoil in Iraq. We should not presuppose that our long-term presence will be beneficial."

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normiss

Right next to the box of water line.

Three shelves down from a bucket of steam.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[masterblaster72 0]

jclalor

Do you even bother to read the shit you post?

Of course not; it's all about posturing and looking like he has a retort. Another troll that people on this forum feed day in and day out.

I like what Ron Paul had to say today:

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“But the real irony here is that Iraq had no Al-Qaeda in it when we went into Iraq, because right after 9/11 a story was concocted and based on lies and misinformation that Al-Qaeda was in Iraq, that there was weapons of mass destruction — all those things that motivated the people and the propaganda to get the support, and Congress went along with it and started spending all that money,” 

“Not only did they pick up a lot of weapons and guns and equipment, but they end up getting Black Hawk helicopters. And this is money that the taxpayers paid and we gave it to the Iraqis. They were supposed to be trained in taking care of and protecting their country, and here the Al-Qaeda is taking over the country,” 

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Amazon 7]

masterblaster72

***

Do you even bother to read the shit you post?

Of course not; it's all about posturing and looking like he has a retort. Another troll that people on this forum feed day in and day out.

I like what Ron Paul had to say today:

Quote

“But the real irony here is that Iraq had no Al-Qaeda in it when we went into Iraq, because right after 9/11 a story was concocted and based on lies and misinformation that Al-Qaeda was in Iraq, that there was weapons of mass destruction — all those things that motivated the people and the propaganda to get the support, and Congress went along with it and started spending all that money,” 

“Not only did they pick up a lot of weapons and guns and equipment, but they end up getting Black Hawk helicopters. And this is money that the taxpayers paid and we gave it to the Iraqis. They were supposed to be trained in taking care of and protecting their country, and here the Al-Qaeda is taking over the country,” 

Hey... at least there are some new targets now... All that expensive hardware we have.... you gotta have viable targets..

[Coreece 190]

freethefly

Quote

Gotta think the peace loving people of Iraq think very highly now of the US and the US standing with them

Peace loving??????? Are you fucking kidding???????

My tax dollars are better spent in America helping Americans. Not in a country that will eventually turn against us.

This falls back on the hawks that pushed this crap on them. There were no terrorist in Iraq until Bush opened the door and let them in. The pretense was that there were weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was poised to use them against us. The new pretense when that lie was exposed was we were there to free them and make their lives better. It is time for them to stand up and do their own dirty work. We are not the police of the world. American kids do not need to die for absolutely nothing.

But, why say anything to a hawk such as yourself. Unlike myself, and others, you felt no need to join when the chance to serve came. I am a veteran and damn proud to have served in the Gulf when America needed me, unlike yourself.

No disrespect, but the gist of your post seems to say that America really didn't need you...that is was a pretense - a lie...

Are you now pretending to be proud of that just to hold it over the head of someone you feel is beneath you?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[freethefly 6]

Coreece

***

Quote

Gotta think the peace loving people of Iraq think very highly now of the US and the US standing with them

Peace loving??????? Are you fucking kidding???????

My tax dollars are better spent in America helping Americans. Not in a country that will eventually turn against us.

This falls back on the hawks that pushed this crap on them. There were no terrorist in Iraq until Bush opened the door and let them in. The pretense was that there were weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was poised to use them against us. The new pretense when that lie was exposed was we were there to free them and make their lives better. It is time for them to stand up and do their own dirty work. We are not the police of the world. American kids do not need to die for absolutely nothing.

But, why say anything to a hawk such as yourself. Unlike myself, and others, you felt no need to join when the chance to serve came. I am a veteran and damn proud to have served in the Gulf when America needed me, unlike yourself.

No disrespect, but the gist of your post seems to say that America really didn't need you...that is was a pretense - a lie...

Are you now pretending to be proud of that just to hold it over the head of someone you feel is beneath you?

I was over there during the Iranian Crisis and the Iran-Iraq war. You know, during the time when Ronnie sold those weapons to the Iranians to fund drug running Contras. Whatever the reason we were there, I am still proud to have served. Also, as you may know, we have had a presence in the Gulf long before Bush number 1 sent ships there.

Excuse me, I have to go stand mail buoy watch after I find the valve to the hand rail cooling water.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[kallend 2,146]

"The 2003 Iraq invasion is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former British prime minister Tony Blair said, according to media reports."

Well, given Tony B-liar's reputation for truthfulness, that's about as much proof as you can get that it was.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

"The 2003 Iraq invasion is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former British prime minister Tony Blair said, according to media reports."

Well, given Tony B-liar's reputation for truthfulness, that's about as much proof as you can get that it was.

So we can apply that Obama? His "Truthfulness" is even lower than Blair. So everything that Obama says we just need to understand that he actually means the opposite.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

***"The 2003 Iraq invasion is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former British prime minister Tony Blair said, according to media reports."

Well, given Tony B-liar's reputation for truthfulness, that's about as much proof as you can get that it was.

So we can apply that Obama? His "Truthfulness" is even lower than Blair. So everything that Obama says we just need to understand that he actually means the opposite.

My what stunning FAUX News Glasses you are wearing...

[turtlespeed 226]

Amazon

******"The 2003 Iraq invasion is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former British prime minister Tony Blair said, according to media reports."

Well, given Tony B-liar's reputation for truthfulness, that's about as much proof as you can get that it was.

So we can apply that Obama? His "Truthfulness" is even lower than Blair. So everything that Obama says we just need to understand that he actually means the opposite.

My what stunning FAUX News Glasses you are wearing...

My, what adolescent comments you make.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,107]

>His "Truthfulness" is even lower than Blair.

Per Politifact so far he's at 69% promises kept or compromise reached.

===========
Promise Kept (45%)
Compromise (24%)
Promise Broken (22%)
Stalled (1%)
In the Works (7%)
============

How's Blair doing?

[normiss 891]

At what number of military does it actually become Boots on the ground?

[turtlespeed 226]

billvon

>His "Truthfulness" is even lower than Blair.

Per Politifact so far he's at 69% promises kept or compromise reached.

===========
Promise Kept (45%)
Compromise (24%)
Promise Broken (22%)
Stalled (1%)
In the Works (7%)
============

How's Blair doing?

1 lie that affects 300 million people, vs one that affects 300K put that poll isn't skewed at ALL.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun