Who would've ever guessed?

[jclalor 12]

That all of those Iraqi security forces, that we spent (spend) hundreds of billions of dollars arming and training, whom we were promised would stand up and defend Iraq from Sunni terrorist and stabilize the ME, would loose.

Who would've ever guessed?




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

[Amazon 7]

jclalor

That all of those Iraqi security forces, that we spent (spend) hundreds of billions of dollars arming and training, whom we were promised would stand up and defend Iraq from Sunni terrorist and stabilize the ME, would loose.

Who would've ever guessed?




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

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[normiss 893]

We seem to have plenty of practice destroying nations infrastructure during our "nation building".
We tend to create awesome power vacuums.

[Amazon 7]

normiss

We seem to have plenty of practice destroying nations infrastructure during our "nation building".
We tend to create awesome power vacuums.

I think it woulda been hella cool to spend all that money on some domestic nation building.

But....

'Murica!!

[normiss 893]

No worries, we're SURE to go back and pile on more shit in that mess.
Apparently we have hundreds of billions just laying around.

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normiss

No worries, we're SURE to go back and pile on more shit in that mess.
Apparently we have hundreds of billions just laying around.

The problem is.. our training did not take hold of those people... they have resorted to type from the training they got while under Sadaam... The French must have trained his trainers before.

[billvon 3,114]

>No worries, we're SURE to go back and pile on more shit in that mess.

Normally that's what I would expect. But there are some hopeful signs:

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U.S. Said to Rebuff Iraqi Request to Strike Militants

By MICHAEL R. GORDON and ERIC SCHMITT
JUNE 11, 2014

WASHINGTON — As the threat from Sunni militants in western Iraq escalated last month, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki secretly asked the Obama administration to consider carrying out airstrikes against extremist staging areas, according to Iraqi and American officials.

But Iraq’s appeals for a military response have so far been rebuffed by the White House, which has been reluctant to open a new chapter in a conflict that President Obama has insisted was over when the United States withdrew the last of its forces from Iraq in 2011.
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normiss

We seem to have plenty of practice destroying nations infrastructure during our "nation building".
We tend to create awesome power vacuums.

That's not fair. South Vietnam is an economic powerhouse and a bulwark against Communism.

[rushmc 23]

Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

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Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

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Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Troops have been gone since December 2011...so almost two and a half years.

How long should the US have kept troops in Iraq to keep you happy Marc? And how do you reconcile that with your wish to curb spending?

Oh, and what would the Democrats have to gain by a civil war in Iraq?

You really read an aricle like that and have an "aha" moment?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

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Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Troops have been gone since December 2011...so almost two and a half years.

How long should the US have kept troops in Iraq to keep you happy Marc? And how do you reconcile that with your wish to curb spending?

Oh, and what would the Democrats have to gain by a civil war in Iraq?

You really read an aricle like that and have an "aha" moment?

Aha moment?


that is funny
what is happening was predicted and predictable

Gotta think the peace loving people of Iraq think very highly now of the US and the US standing with them

Come on man
there was NO doubt this was coming
And the Democrats could give a fuck less

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

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Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Do you ever read any of the gibberish you cite. Your "source" did not once mention that Obama pulled out in accordance with the agreement that Bush made. Don't you find that interesting they failed to mention that?

Or is that "fair and balanced"

Obama wanted to keep troops in Iraq (I disagreed) but Maliki wanted to be able to prosecute US troops for what the Iraqi's considered US war crimes.

Where's the Iraqi army that was going to "stand up" while we "stood down?"

What was the old joke about French rifles for sale?

[rushmc 23]

jclalor

***Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

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Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Do you ever read any of the gibberish you cite. Your "source" did not once mention that Obama pulled out in accordance with the agreement that Bush made. Don't you find that interesting they failed to mention that?

Or is that "fair and balanced"

Obama wanted to keep troops in Iraq (I disagreed) but Maliki wanted to be able to prosecute US troops for what the Iraqi's considered US war crimes.

Where's the Iraqi army that was going to "stand up" while we "stood down?"

What was the old joke about French rifles for sale?

Truth hurt?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

******Maybe those who wanted it to happen?

Quote

Iraq Civil War Is Exactly What Democrats Wanted

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/12/Iraq-Civil-War-Is-Exactly-What-Democrats-Wanted

Do you ever read any of the gibberish you cite. Your "source" did not once mention that Obama pulled out in accordance with the agreement that Bush made. Don't you find that interesting they failed to mention that?

Or is that "fair and balanced"

Obama wanted to keep troops in Iraq (I disagreed) but Maliki wanted to be able to prosecute US troops for what the Iraqi's considered US war crimes.

Where's the Iraqi army that was going to "stand up" while we "stood down?"

What was the old joke about French rifles for sale?

Truth hurt?

Are you trying to project some of your "truthiness" there Marc??

More than a couple of us were predicting what was going to happen after George and Dickies Excellent Adventure in the sandbox went south. I know you do not like that.. since you were in for the whole enchilada from day one... but when brain cells were rubbed together..... it was fairly apparent that Iraq as a country was doomed to last as anything more than 3 separate entities (KurdiStan, ShiaStan and SunniStan) based on tribal and religious differences. The only reason it existed with all three of those groups was the Baathists who ruled by fear and torture with an iron fist and some gas we sold them.

The new entry into the game is an even more radical group of jihadists.... which should keep that ole War on Terror you guys support going for Neo-Con fun and profit. How long do you think your boy Rummy and the PNAC clowns can get the American people to keep sending off their kids again??

[DanG 1]

So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just following the agreement Bush put in place!"

Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

You funny.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

DanG

So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just following the agreement Bush put in place!"

Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

You funny.

Well, there are a few details you've left out but, thats ok

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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And the Democrats could give a fuck less

You are saying that the Republicans are very concerned about the wellbeing of Iraqi's?

Wasn't it Bush who put this plan together?

[jakee 1,594]

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what is happening was predicted and predictable

But Bush and Blair went ahead anyway.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 893]

Not so quick there...

HOW MUCH for training????

[freethefly 6]

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Gotta think the peace loving people of Iraq think very highly now of the US and the US standing with them

Peace loving??????? Are you fucking kidding???????

My tax dollars are better spent in America helping Americans. Not in a country that will eventually turn against us.

This falls back on the hawks that pushed this crap on them. There were no terrorist in Iraq until Bush opened the door and let them in. The pretense was that there were weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was poised to use them against us. The new pretense when that lie was exposed was we were there to free them and make their lives better. It is time for them to stand up and do their own dirty work. We are not the police of the world. American kids do not need to die for absolutely nothing.

But, why say anything to a hawk such as yourself. Unlike myself, and others, you felt no need to join when the chance to serve came. I am a veteran and damn proud to have served in the Gulf when America needed me, unlike yourself.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[normiss 893]

Iran will take care of it, no worries.

[kallend 2,147]

SkyDekker

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And the Democrats could give a fuck less

You are saying that the Republicans are very concerned about the wellbeing of Iraqi's?

Well, other than the hundreds of thousands that they killed or displaced.....

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jclalor 12]

rushmc

***So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just following the agreement Bush put in place!"

Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

You funny.

Well, there are a few details you've left out but, thats ok

Have you ever served in the military?

[billvon 3,114]

>So when Obama takes credit for pulling the troops out, you scream, "He was just
>following the agreement Bush put in place!"

>Now, when the shit hits that fan, you want to blame him alone, conveniently
>forgetting all about Bush's agreement?

Easier to type "you want to blame him" - and more accurate. All the other details don't really matter.

Heck, he'd object to rescuing a US soldier from the enemy if it might make Obama look good.

[kallend 2,147]

rushmc

Well, there are a few details you've left out but, thats ok

Here are some details for you:

It cost 4,486 American lives.
It cost US taxpayers over $1 TRILLION.
Estimated Iraqi casualties over 100,000
NO WMDs ever found.
And the place is worse off now than when the US invaded, and it was all based on a pack of neocon lies.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.