kallend 2,148 #126 June 20, 2014 normissYou do realize that bank robberies still happen right? Glad you brought that up. Why have laws against bank robbery? Bank robbers just ignore laws against bank robbery anyway. All those laws do is inconvenience law abiding citizens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #127 June 20, 2014 Ah. The silly man argument is so much better. Point being, even with armed guards, cameras, and a rather large industrial grade safe, shit gets stolen. You would have us charging banks for bank robbery with your silly 'logic'. Good day sir. Enjoy your weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #128 June 20, 2014 We also have laws that set up gun free zones. Virginia Tech workplace violence reduction that banned CCW http://web.archive.org/web/20070702001642/http://www.policies.vt.edu/5616.pdf QuoteIt is the intent of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and St ate University to provide a safe and secure environment for university employees, students, and visitors by est ablishing preventative measures, holding perpetrators accountable, and providing assistance and support to victims. This policy specifically addresses the university's position on the prevention, reduction, and management of violence to provide a safe working and learning environment for our students, employees, and visitors at all university owned, controlled, or leased properties, including satellite locations. In implementing this polic y, the university is guided by the Commonwealth of Virginia’s Policy 1.80 Workplace Violence and Policy 2.30 Workplace Harassment How did setting up that "Free Fire", ''Gun Free" , "Safe Zone" work out for the 32 people that died.... Say I am a single 60 year old male who lives alone and without visitors of any age on a fenced in 1 acre lot with a dog that barks, and signs that say no trespassing. Why the hell do you blame me for having a gun that is stolen from INSIDE my LOCKED home by a CRIMINAL who is TRESPASSING and committing a CRIME? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #129 June 20, 2014 champui.e. "No one who has had a firearm stolen was protecting it properly or adequately." oh - I thought you meant something else by posteriori...... (seems that a huge pile of judgementalism (judgmentalism, judgmentlsm, judgmental-ism, judgedreddistivism? spelling is difficult) is available to anyone with 20/20 hindsight) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #130 June 20, 2014 AnvilbrotherSay I am a single 60 year old male who lives alone and without visitors of any age on a fenced in 1 acre lot with a dog that barks, and signs that say no trespassing. Why the hell do you blame me for having a gun that is stolen from INSIDE my LOCKED home by a CRIMINAL who is TRESPASSING and committing a CRIME? it was stolen, therefore you are irresponsible. why didn't you think up every possible and impossible scenario and invent an infinite number of safeguards? why? For the children? tell me, do you have a list of everything you haven't thought of? (I actually have heard this request from engineering executives) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #131 June 20, 2014 rehmwa ***Say I am a single 60 year old male who lives alone and without visitors of any age on a fenced in 1 acre lot with a dog that barks, and signs that say no trespassing. Why the hell do you blame me for having a gun that is stolen from INSIDE my LOCKED home by a CRIMINAL who is TRESPASSING and committing a CRIME? it was stolen, therefore you are irresponsible. why didn't you think up every possible and impossible scenario and invent an infinite number of safeguards? why? For the children? tell me, do you have a list of everything you haven't thought of? (I actually have heard this request from engineering executives) Personally I go to great lengths to protect the things I care for. I also consider it the RESPONSIBLE thing to do. I do find it interesting that so many people have such a skewed sense of responsibility since so many are normally touting that very quality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #132 June 20, 2014 rehmwaoh - I thought you meant something else by posteriori...... Whichever. rehmwa(seems that a huge pile of judgementalism (judgmentalism, judgmentlsm, judgmental-ism, judgedreddistivism? spelling is difficult) Just stick with Duh-mo-crite or Re-pube-lick-tard (to taste.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #133 June 20, 2014 What did I do to make that weapon get stolen? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #134 June 20, 2014 AnvilbrotherWhat did I do to make that weapon get stolen? You assumed burglers would not burgle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #135 June 20, 2014 By that fucked up logic should all women be locked in cages because rapists might rape? You gotta stop blaming the inanimate objects(guns, knives) for the actions of criminals. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #136 June 20, 2014 Amazon If you cannot protect it...it cannot protect you. Eddie the Eagle?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #137 June 20, 2014 AmazonPersonally I go to great lengths to protect the things I care for. so for guns - do you disassemble them and then lock up the various parts in separated concrete foundation vaults that are all at least a mile from each other? Do these vaults require both retinal and fingerprint scans, with a password? (oh boy, if you do this, this post will backfire) I do what I consider reasonable (rifles in a locked rack in a non-visible area, ammo locked separately, handgun in a safe, also located in a private area - you tell me, is that satisfactory? probably, you are reasonable about this stuff, but for some, there is zero level of security that they would accept- including the above - other than non-ownership - how do you talk to those types?) Blanket accusations that irresponsible ownership is defined by whether or not the property was stolen or not, is a crappy strawman. of course - I'm not counting my "TV" pistol. That stays loaded and on the coffee table for when I can't find my TV remote and I need to shut off the TV or shoot out a light. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #138 June 20, 2014 Anvilbrother By that fucked up logic should all women be locked in cages because rapists might rape? You gotta stop blaming the inanimate objects(guns, knives) for the actions of criminals. Inappropriate.. but you know that. But I get it... I really do... only SOME people need to be responsible... but not for those which you deem to be on your side of some weird and skewed line where you demand "responsibility by some" but deem responsibility by all to be an attack on you in some way.I am a realist.. but I do what I can to keep what is mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #139 June 20, 2014 rehmwa***Personally I go to great lengths to protect the things I care for. so for guns - do you disassemble them and then lock up the various parts in separated concrete foundation vaults that are all at least a mile from each other? Do these vaults require both retinal and fingerprint scans, with a password? (oh boy, if you do this, this post will backfire) I do what I consider reasonable (rifles in a locked rack in a non-visible area, ammo locked separately, handgun in a safe, also located in a private area - you tell me, is that satisfactory? probably, you are reasonable about this stuff, but for some, there is zero level of security that they would accept- including the above - other than non-ownership - how do you talk to those types?) Blanket accusations that irresponsible ownership is defined by whether or not the property was stolen or not, is a crappy strawman. of course - I'm not counting my "TV" pistol. That stays loaded and on the coffee table for when I can't find my TV remote and I need to shut off the TV or shoot out a light. I do keep ammunition locked up in a fire safe... and separated from weapons.. I will not elaborate further though. Needless to say the only time the two items come together is when I am going to a range.. or in my concealed weapon. And when I am doing those things yes they are secured. What others do I have no control over, but they can be part of the solution.. or they can be part of the problem. I leave it up to them to decide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #140 June 20, 2014 Amazon. Funny thing about that....but no one in my extended family has EVER had a gun stolen in a burglary... no child in our family has ever gotten ahold of a weapon and killed or wounded another family member or playmate. To give meaning to this, how many different houses with guns are we talking about? And how many burglaries has your family suffered? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #141 June 20, 2014 champu***Ah - but what if you can only afford the gun? Maybe all you have was stolen from you and the crime area you live in prohibits the availability of proper gun storage? I'm having a hard time understanding what, "crime area you live in prohibits the availability of proper gun storage" means. Do you mean you live in an area where criminals all have plasma cutters? Not sure what he means by the crime area, but we have to acknowledge that securing options are more limited for renters and apartment/condo dwellers than they are for those of us with a garage floor you can bolt a 600lb safe to. The smaller gun safes that hold one or two handguns - they only increase the time it takes to steal. If the guy wants them, he will spend less time opening the safe and more time just removing the safe for later cracking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #142 June 21, 2014 kelpdiver***. Funny thing about that....but no one in my extended family has EVER had a gun stolen in a burglary... no child in our family has ever gotten ahold of a weapon and killed or wounded another family member or playmate. To give meaning to this, how many different houses with guns are we talking about? And how many burglaries has your family suffered? At least 40 different households that I can think of all over the country of grand parents grand aunts-uncles cousins and their children and childrens children... and at least 6 break ins that I know of. Every one seems to die of old age or other means other than guns. No one has ever committed suicide and we have a fairly high number of those who have served this country going back to War I in that statistic. I am not including those who died during ALL the wars and dustups since 1628 of course... we have plenty who died building this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #143 June 21, 2014 How dare you provide a portable carrying case for stolen weapons! You are entirely correct of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #144 June 21, 2014 rehmwa***Say I am a single 60 year old male who lives alone and without visitors of any age on a fenced in 1 acre lot with a dog that barks, and signs that say no trespassing. Why the hell do you blame me for having a gun that is stolen from INSIDE my LOCKED home by a CRIMINAL who is TRESPASSING and committing a CRIME? it was stolen, therefore you are irresponsible. why didn't you think up every possible and impossible scenario and invent an infinite number of safeguards? why? For the children? tell me, do you have a list of everything you haven't thought of? (I actually have heard this request from engineering executives) I believe that the data suggests that something like 1/3 of stolen guns were loaded and weren't secured in any way whatsoever. Making up silly "bank robbery" scenarios is just that; silly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #145 June 21, 2014 kallend And if guns are so good at preventing crime, how come so many get stolen anyway? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #146 June 21, 2014 kallend Making up silly "bank robbery" scenarios is just that; silly. not as silly as your bank robbery scenario.... Still glad he brought it up?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #147 June 21, 2014 kallendIf you can't properly take care of your weapon, maybe you shouldn't have one. Problem solved...just steal them.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #148 June 21, 2014 Coreece ***Making up silly "bank robbery" scenarios is just that; silly. not as silly as your bank robbery scenario.... Still glad he brought it up?I suppose I should have used a icon for the benefit of the more obtuse readers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #149 June 21, 2014 kallend ******Making up silly "bank robbery" scenarios is just that; silly. not as silly as your bank robbery scenario.... Still glad he brought it up?I suppose I should have used a icon for the benefit of the more obtuse readers. I tend to play down to the competition. It tends to become comic relief when I hear statements like, "if guns are so good at preventing crime, how come so many get stolen anyway?"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #150 June 21, 2014 Coreece *********Making up silly "bank robbery" scenarios is just that; silly. not as silly as your bank robbery scenario.... Still glad he brought it up?I suppose I should have used a icon for the benefit of the more obtuse readers. I tend to play down to the competition. Dunning and Kruger strike again.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
