Couple in Las Vegas Killings Embraced Anti-Government Ideology

[mpohl 1]

"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is. The two police officers who died were armed and trained.

If you think you need a gun for self defense, 99 times out of 100, you should not be allowed to buy it."

[regulator 0]

According to WHO?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ab0_1402337332


Watch this video. You can see from the beginning the dude has issues. He starts ranting on and on about drones and most likely his paranoia is induced from smoking weed, because he admitted he was on house arrest. I know smoking weed make you paranoid. But jumping to conclusions and wanting to run out and use the latest tragedy as political fodder has gotten annoying. The united states was founded from a revolution against oppressors. These men stood up for what they believed in to give future generations god given rights that enhanced their freedoms. Sure everyone knows it isn't perfect, but hiding in the corner and waiting to die isn't on the table for me anymore.

[Coreece 190]

mpohl

"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is."

Ya, and in the other thread Quade proved that mace is just as effective as guns...lol.

Edit:
It's also troubling to me that anytime there is a shooting, we all immediately cum in SC getting off on how these incidents "prove" us correct without so much as a thought to the victims...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

regulator

The united states was founded from a revolution against oppressors.

Right, hence our right to bear arms...

When the United States attempts to force other nations to get rid of THEIR nuclear programs, you'll often hear the left shouting Hypocrisy!

Perhaps if EVERYONE got rid of their weapons....oops, nevermind, there I go again...

<----hopeless romantic.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[kelpdiver 2]

mpohl

"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is. The two police officers who died were armed and trained.

if you want guarantees in life, well, you picked the wrong world. Unless you live a very guarded life where you never expose your back to the world, you can't guarantee something like this cannot occur.

now do you think they'd be any less dead if they weren't armed?

people here can post plenty of stories where armed people, even not trained the the LEO standard (eye roll), successfully defend themselves. The number of these events per year range somewhere between high 5 figures and low 7 figures (with my take somewhere towards the middle of that curve).

The number of events that you are dancing on is a much smaller number.

[BartsDaddy 7]

+1 on your edit it allmost sickens me as much as the deed.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[mpohl 1]

"Thank you FOX News for enabling these people. Thank you Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the other Hate Talk Radio stars for feeding their paranoia. Thank you for helping the NRA turn America into a country filled with guns and people prepared to use them out of the fears you've encouraged for political and personal gain.

Thank you Republican Party for allowing these people to drive your anti-government agenda. Thank you for repeatedly giving them aid and political cover.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

[Boomerdog 0]

I'll file your post under "unclear on the concept."
First and foremost, these murderous scum are nut jobs clear and simple.
Murder WAS their purpose, their ideology an insane pretext.

[Amazon 7]

Boomerdog

I'll file your post under "unclear on the concept."
First and foremost, these murderous scum are nut jobs clear and simple.
Murder WAS their purpose, their ideology an insane pretext.

They are no more insane than a whole lot of the fringers who have been stirred up by the very same "news" organizations that some of our illustrious posters here post links from all the time. Perhaps a read of the link in the other thread would be enlightening. They showed up out at the Ranch with the Welfare Cowboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LV3rwdEN80

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mpohl

"Thank you FOX News for enabling these people. Thank you Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the other Hate Talk Radio stars for feeding their paranoia. Thank you for helping the NRA turn America into a country filled with guns and people prepared to use them out of the fears you've encouraged for political and personal gain.

Thank you Republican Party for allowing these people to drive your anti-government agenda. Thank you for repeatedly giving them aid and political cover.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

Thank You mpohl, for posting the most nonsensical bull shit so far in this thread.

NO one of the above is as culpable as you are, for taking the extreme position you do.

It's you and yours and their anti gun that are to blame.

(do you see how easy it is to toss blame around? Try reality. IT REALLY does exist)

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

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***"Thank you FOX News for enabling these people. Thank you Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the other Hate Talk Radio stars for feeding their paranoia. Thank you for helping the NRA turn America into a country filled with guns and people prepared to use them out of the fears you've encouraged for political and personal gain.

Thank you Republican Party for allowing these people to drive your anti-government agenda. Thank you for repeatedly giving them aid and political cover.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

Thank You mpohl, for posting the most nonsensical bull shit so far in this thread.

NO one of the above is as culpable as you are, for taking the extreme position you do.

It's you and yours and their anti gun that are to blame.

(do you see how easy it is to toss blame around? Try reality. IT REALLY does exist)

From the other thread....see if any of it sounds familiar. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/las-vegas-shooters-idd-as-right-wing-conspiracy-nuts-with-a-deathwish/



Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

“We can hope for peace,” he posted June 2. “We must, however, prepare for war. We face an enemy that is not only well funded, but who believe they fight for freedom and justice. Those of us who know the truth and dare speak it, know that the enemy we face are indeed our brothers. Even though they share the same masters as we all do. They fail to recognize the chains that bind them. To stop this oppression, I fear, can only be accomplished with bloodshed.”
Jerad and Amanda Miller posted comments at InfoWars, Breitbart

A May 28, 2012, post on Jones’ InfoWars site appears to have been made by Jerad Miller, who expressed frustration with his arrest on drug charges and vowed he would rather die than be labeled a criminal.

“I am like a wild coyote,” he wrote, using the user name “Jerad” and a Gadsden flag as his avatar. “You corner me, I will fight to the death.”

He goes on to say he’s “broken hearted” to see other Americans placated by materialism and celebrity worship as they submitted to tyranny.

“So, do I kill cops and make a stand when they come to get me?” the post continues. “I would prefer to die than sit in their jail, when I have done nothing to hurt anyone.”

That post attracted an appreciative comment from another InfoWars user, Amanda, whose profile uses the same maiden name – Woodruff – as Amanda Miller, along with the same birth year and hometown as the shooting suspect.

“Jerad, baby, I love you with all my heart and I’ll stand behind you no matter what,” wrote Amanda, whose avatar appears to be Amanda Miller. “It’s true that its not fair that i can’t have a gun because you live with me. I know its not right that my rights get taken away from me because I live in the same home as you but I would love to see them try and enforce that. My love for you is deep and forever and f-ck what they have to say cause they have no right to do what they say is not right.”

The InfoWars user Amanda also claims the same job — head of the needlepoint department for Hobby Lobby — as Amanda Miller’s Facebook profile.

The InfoWars user Jerad also complains in a 2012 post that he hadn’t seen a dentist in 14 years because he lacks insurance, Medicaid, and a job.

“How the Gov. spends billions of dollars on the war on drugs and all these missles and bombs to kill people,” posted Jerad, who indicates that he was 29 – the same age as Jerad Miller – at the time. “I think about all that money that could do to helping people instead. Creating jobs, creating happy, healthy people. I dont want a hand out. I just need a foundation to stand on. One that wont be pulled out from under me as soon as i step up on it.”

Jerad also shared a short story he’d written about a man who shot police as they marched against protesters, although it was apparently removed from InfoWars but remains visible in a cached version.

“Fiveteen bullets and fiveteen dead cops who failed to uphold their oath,” Jerad wrote in a story posted June 20, 2012. “His trust had been betrayed. Maybe now something will change, he thought. Maybe now they will see the error of their ways.”

The same InfoWars user complained that chemtrails were causing higher levels of respiratory illness, including strep throat and “bronchidus,” and he also warned that “Im sure the floride isnt helping much either.”

A commenter who identified himself as Jerad Miller, using the same “patriot” avatar as the killer’s Facebook profile, commented April 27, 2013, on a Breitbart story on Vice President Joe Biden’s claim that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) might have won the 2008 election if the economy hadn’t stalled.

Jerad Miller complained in his Breitbart comment that President Barack Obama was exploiting gun violence to strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights.

“Watching the tyrant Obama stand on the graves of children to push this agenda has opened a lot of peoples eyes to how pathetic this push for gun control really is,” Jerad Miller wrote. “The fact that Obama may be baiting the next civil war with this action is disturbing. Millions would die in the event of civil war, many of them, would be unarmed civilians just speaking out against Obama and the (National Defense Authorization Act).”

He shared a viral image son his Facebook page suggesting the U.S. trade five Democratic lawmakers for a U.S. Marine who has been held for two months on weapons charges in Mexico after crossing the border with legally purchased firearms – a suggestion jokingly made last week by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY).

Jerad Miller also shared a post by David Lory VanDerBeek, the Independent American Party candidate for Nevada governor, that suggested last month’s fatal shooting spree near the University of California, Santa Barbara, was a “false flag” operation enacted by the government to suppress gun rights.

“I see Obama’s Socialist agenda of anti-2nd Amendment, pro-amnesty, Agenda 21 de-industrialization is in trouble,” VanDerBeek posted. “They need to grease the wheels of fear and politicizing a shooting in CA is not going to do it. People become numbed to the politics of shootings.”

That shooting spree, which left seven people dead and another seven wounded, prompted Jerad Miller to share a viral image that described that gunman as a liberal.

“So yet another liberal left-wing wack job goes on yet another fatal mass shooting spree because he couldn’t get laid and that’s the NRA’s fault???” the caption reads. “Jeez, it’s no wonder liberalism’s regarded as a mental disorder.”

Amanda Miller posted frequently about the Bundy ranch standoff on her Google Plus page, where she also claimed she and her husband had moved to Nevada to support VanDerBeek’s gubernatorial campaign.

Jerad Miller reached out to VanDerBeek in the comments of Healthy Eating blog post on genetically modified organisms.

“I will see you soon, I will be in touch,” Jerad Miller posted. “My wife and I are planning to move to Nevada soon to help you in your resistance to tyranny. This is proof you are making an impact. Do not quit, my wife and I under your authority to receive training to protect you at all costs. We will take bullets to protect you to the best of our ability. We love you brother and all those who seek liberty.”
Neighbors said the couple spoke frequently about their guns and anti-government views, and they also made racist statements.

“They were handing out white-power propaganda and were talking about doing the next Columbine,” said neighbor Brandon Moore.

The couple did not associate with other residents of their apartment building, but they were well know to others.

“Yap, yap, yap,” said neighbor Sue Hale. “They were always running their mouths.”

Jerad Miller sketched out his interests with the groups and individuals he “liked” on Facebook, including Operation American Spring, Alliance Defending Freedom, the National Rifle Association, The Heritage Foundation, Rand Paul 2016, Three Percenter Nation, and Ron Paul.

Amanda Miller also “liked” Ron Paul, Freedom Works, and Three Percenter Nation, in addition to various paranormal groups, Stop Amnesty, and Drudge Report.

Jerad Miller posted a photo of himself Feb. 8 standing alongside former Sheriff Richard Mack, who promotes the posse comitatus idea that county sheriffs represent the supreme law of the land, during a libertarian sheriff’s debate.

He complained in a July 2013 video that the couple’s “brainwashed” family members would not help them during a dispute with their landlord, but one of those relatives disputed the characterization.

“Amanda was fine before you came around,” said Julie Clites. “Now she sits there doing everything you say because YOU have brainwashed her. Everyone of the grandkids has a future. Amanda married you and immediately lost hers. We won’t help either of you because it is disgusting what you two believe in and stand for.”

Jerad Miller had been arrested numerous times since 2007 on weapons, battery, drug, criminal recklessness, and strangulation battery charges.

Court records show he twice violated the terms of his in-house arrest on drug charges last year. He complained about his punishment in this video, which also addresses surveillance by drones.

Jerad Miller indicated in the video made before his jail term that the couple had bonded over their shared views.

“I know it feels like it’s you and me versus the world – it kind of is – you know, a bunch of zombies out there, a bunch of sheeple, just ignorantly working until their deaths, they don’t even care where their money goes or nothing,” he said. “I’m so glad you’re not like that, baby, I’m so glad that I found you.”

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Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

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Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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***Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

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Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

The weak of mind are easily swayed... it is a time honored tradition among those with room temperature IQ's. Manson played on that.. FAUX News, Alex Jones, and The Blaze are also using it. Millions of their followers walk around with monofilament line with large sinkers and a hook on the end that came out their asses.

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******Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

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Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

The weak of mind are easily swayed... it is a time honored tradition among those with room temperature IQ's. Manson played on that.. FAUX News, Alex Jones, and The Blaze are also using it. Millions of their followers walk around with monofilament line with large sinkers and a hook on the end that came out their asses.

AHHHH

So now you compare Fox News, of being like Charles Manson . ..

THAT is a new one in the extreme left opinion realm.

Telling . . .

But hey anyone that habitually types Faux as opposed to Fox thinking they are clever . . . well, you see where I'm getting.

Who are the players? Bill O'Reilly is Charles? Maybe Dennis miller? He has the beard . . . But we wouldn't want to judge on skin color or facial hair, would we?

Leslie Van Houten is Katie Holmes maybe? Patricia Krenwinkel as Laura Ingle? and Susan Atkins, well she has to be Alicia Acuna . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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*********Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

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Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

The weak of mind are easily swayed... it is a time honored tradition among those with room temperature IQ's. Manson played on that.. FAUX News, Alex Jones, and The Blaze are also using it. Millions of their followers walk around with monofilament line with large sinkers and a hook on the end that came out their asses.

AHHHH

So now you compare Fox News, of being like Charles Manson . ..

THAT is a new one in the extreme left opinion realm.

Telling . . .

But hey anyone that habitually types Faux as opposed to Fox thinking they are clever . . . well, you see where I'm getting.

Who are the players? Bill O'Reilly is Charles? Maybe Dennis miller? He has the beard . . . But we wouldn't want to judge on skin color or facial hair, would we?

Leslie Van Houten is Katie Holmes maybe? Patricia Krenwinkel as Laura Ingle? and Susan Atkins, well she has to be Alicia Acuna . . .

It is too bad you never studied this subject Clint... it really is a fascinating plunge into how the human mind works.

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************Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

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Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

The weak of mind are easily swayed... it is a time honored tradition among those with room temperature IQ's. Manson played on that.. FAUX News, Alex Jones, and The Blaze are also using it. Millions of their followers walk around with monofilament line with large sinkers and a hook on the end that came out their asses.

AHHHH

So now you compare Fox News, of being like Charles Manson . ..

THAT is a new one in the extreme left opinion realm.

Telling . . .

But hey anyone that habitually types Faux as opposed to Fox thinking they are clever . . . well, you see where I'm getting.

Who are the players? Bill O'Reilly is Charles? Maybe Dennis miller? He has the beard . . . But we wouldn't want to judge on skin color or facial hair, would we?

Leslie Van Houten is Katie Holmes maybe? Patricia Krenwinkel as Laura Ingle? and Susan Atkins, well she has to be Alicia Acuna . . .

It is too bad you never studied this subject Clint... it really is a fascinating plunge into how the human mind works.

It's a shame your bias is so severe that the open mind you might have had in the past, is as closed as what you accuse everyone else.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***************Jerad Miller outlined his political views, which were largely based on conspiracy theories promoted by Fox News and Alex Jones, in his social media postings, and he posted frequently about firearms and violent revolution.

Quote

Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor in the Manson trial, wrote of the case in a book called "Helter Skelter." "Helter-Skelter" was a song on the 1968 Beatles "White Album." The lyrics fit with Manson's theory- "Look out helter skelter, helter skelter, helter skelter. She's coming down fast. Yes she is. Yes she is." Manson preached that the black man was going to rise up and start killing the whites and turn cities into an inferno of racial revenge. He believed that the black man would win the war, but couldn't hold onto the power because of innate inferiority. Manson and his "family" would be safe from the racial holocaust because they would be hiding in the desert, safe from the racial wars in the cities.

Sooo . You blame Sharon Tate's murder on The Beatles then too - right?

The weak of mind are easily swayed... it is a time honored tradition among those with room temperature IQ's. Manson played on that.. FAUX News, Alex Jones, and The Blaze are also using it. Millions of their followers walk around with monofilament line with large sinkers and a hook on the end that came out their asses.

AHHHH

So now you compare Fox News, of being like Charles Manson . ..

THAT is a new one in the extreme left opinion realm.

Telling . . .

But hey anyone that habitually types Faux as opposed to Fox thinking they are clever . . . well, you see where I'm getting.

Who are the players? Bill O'Reilly is Charles? Maybe Dennis miller? He has the beard . . . But we wouldn't want to judge on skin color or facial hair, would we?

Leslie Van Houten is Katie Holmes maybe? Patricia Krenwinkel as Laura Ingle? and Susan Atkins, well she has to be Alicia Acuna . . .

It is too bad you never studied this subject Clint... it really is a fascinating plunge into how the human mind works.

It's a shame your bias is so severe that the open mind you might have had in the past, is as closed as what you accuse everyone else.


Tsk tsk tsk..

[BillyVance 35]

Dude, you seem to be hell-bent on bashing America for its ills. If you have a problem with it, kindly take your ass back to Germany and stay there. Mein Gott....

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[billvon 3,116]

>You can see from the beginning the dude has issues. He starts ranting on and on
>about drones and most likely his paranoia is induced from smoking weed, because
>he admitted he was on house arrest.

Clearly he needed more guns.

[Coreece 190]

mpohl

"Thank you FOX News for enabling these people. Thank you Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the other Hate Talk Radio stars for feeding their paranoia.

Ya, heard all that before...The media is to blame for all our ills...

-Nipples at halftime destroy family values and teach our girls to become sluts...

-Sex on TV promotes promiscuity...

-Grand theft Auto III teaches kids to kill prostitutes so you don't have to pay them.

-Today's music is just dirty and is the cause of society's demise...

It's funny how you liberals turn the tables to suit your needs:
legalize drugs - prohibition doesn't work
legalize abortion - prohibition doesn't work
legalize prostitution - prohibition doesn't work
Guns - prohibition will definitely work...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[D22369 0]

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"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is. The two police officers who died were armed and trained.

If you think you need a gun for self defense, 99 times out of 100, you should not be allowed to buy it."

both of these statements are incorrect - no amount of training will stop you from being blindsided like this - so by your logic perhaps the cops should stop carrying them and just use pepper spray as well?

some of us would rather be a bit more proactive than just wait to be executed by some nutcase. 99 times out of 100 huh? so who decides? you?


I carry and will continue to do so and quite frankly don't ever see a time when I wont.

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[Coreece 190]

D22369

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"These murderers have proven what a total folly the NRA's claim that guns are useful for self defense really is. The two police officers who died were armed and trained.

If you think you need a gun for self defense, 99 times out of 100, you should not be allowed to buy it."

both of these statements are incorrect - no amount of training will stop you from being blindsided like this - so by your logic perhaps the cops should stop carrying them and just use pepper spray as well?

You're expecting too much from these people...

In another thread, they already "proved" that mace was just as effective as guns, but without considering the risks to the "hero."

This instance in the OP should be enough to bring them to reality....but given such absent-minded logic, I can only assume that they actually believe mace is the better option and would've actually prevented these murders...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[quade 4]

Your ability to accurately represent what other people have posted is truly amazing. That is to say, completely inaccurate and astonishingly so.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Coreece 190]

quade

Your ability to accurately represent what other people have posted is truly amazing. That is to say, completely inaccurate and astonishingly so.

Did you ever think that perhaps you talk too much? I'm just here to shut you up...
In the other thread, you said:

quade

"Which, sort of proves the system works as well as anything else."

This meant that you think mace works just as well as guns, given the context...

btw, what does "sort of proves" mean anyway?
Either it proves it or it doesn't...if you don't have confidence in your statements, just be quiet...

It's no wonder you're embarrassed, take offense and have to resort to personal attacks against my abilities...you're better than that...or are you?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[rushmc 23]

mpohl

"Thank you FOX News for enabling these people. Thank you Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and all the other Hate Talk Radio stars for feeding their paranoia. Thank you for helping the NRA turn America into a country filled with guns and people prepared to use them out of the fears you've encouraged for political and personal gain.

Thank you Republican Party for allowing these people to drive your anti-government agenda. Thank you for repeatedly giving them aid and political cover.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

So, who enabeled the Gabby Gifford shooter?

You know, the left wing nut who shot her?

Your short sighted comment is sad at best

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln