quade 4 #26 June 17, 2014 richravizzaDo I have a Choice in paying self employment Tax? Did the slaves of the Pharaoh have a choice? Your question is irrelevant. The fact remains that society IS socialism. If you don't want socialism of any kind, go buy an island and live on it. Don't expect anyone to save your ass if there is a storm or somebody else wants to invade. The rest of us will who want to be a part of society and reap the benefits thereof will, in fact, have to deal with a certain amount of socialism regardless of whether we like it or not. It's just part of the deal.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #27 June 17, 2014 So your telling me That Self Employment Tax is a Form of Slavery? thank you. SSI disproportionally is payed by the poor, and Disprportionally benefit the rich,is that another benefit to the common Good? Be Careful of what you wish for. "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. Even in it's Definition it is irrespective of its results to social problems.The true benifiary is not the people but those organizatons and those who implement such programs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 June 17, 2014 Be careful how you define things.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #29 June 17, 2014 Amazon ************Thought a little youtube video may Open your mind and eyes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A It is also important to note that 'greedy free capitalists' give their fortunes back to the masses. Rockefeller Carnegie Eastman Gates Hilton Behrend B. Ray Thompson et al., et al. How about those who "give Back" when the recipients are symphonies and ballets which is kind of like giving to themselves since many people had no way of EVER affording tickets at those venues.Quite recently you pitched a fit when one of the Kochs endowed $200 Million to a hospital. It seems you had a problem with Koch having his name being visible on the facility that was being built with the money. Did you look into WHO is being "helped" in the facility??? Welfare for the wealthy and well to do... driven by egomaniacal zeal... is not charitable contribution. That billionaire Al Mann thats coming out with the Inhalable insulin. Just gave 16 Mill to UCLA and another 14 Million to our Local Community Collage. My daughter will be attending this Fall, I'm sure it will benifit her in some way. I might even benifit with lower tuition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 June 17, 2014 richravizza ***************Thought a little youtube video may Open your mind and eyes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A It is also important to note that 'greedy free capitalists' give their fortunes back to the masses. Rockefeller Carnegie Eastman Gates Hilton Behrend B. Ray Thompson et al., et al. How about those who "give Back" when the recipients are symphonies and ballets which is kind of like giving to themselves since many people had no way of EVER affording tickets at those venues.Quite recently you pitched a fit when one of the Kochs endowed $200 Million to a hospital. It seems you had a problem with Koch having his name being visible on the facility that was being built with the money. Did you look into WHO is being "helped" in the facility??? Welfare for the wealthy and well to do... driven by egomaniacal zeal... is not charitable contribution. That billionaire Al Mann thats coming out with the Inhalable insulin. Just gave 16 Mill to UCLA and another 14 Million to our Local Community Collage. My daughter will be attending this Fall, I'm sure it will benifit her in some way. I might even benifit with lower tuition. Cool don't ya just love tax write offs?? I wonder how many billions he will make off the inhalable. It will hopefully benefit a lot of Americans... if they can afford it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #31 June 17, 2014 Well just in MNKD when it Failed Phase 2 last yr.and the stock crashed to a $1.38he bought 100 million shares. It's now at 10 bucks so, he needs to spend another 900million before the Gov't takes it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 June 17, 2014 richravizza Well just in MNKD when it Failed Phase 2 last yr.and the stock crashed to a $1.38he bought 100 million shares. It's now at 10 bucks so, he needs to spend another 900million before the Gov't takes it. Funny how something like that might happen... some negative info about a trial.. stock plunges... buys lots of stock at bargain basement price... you might think someone helped that along.Nice profit on the rebound though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #33 June 17, 2014 I beleive he is just a great mannHis Idea,His research, his cash, his reward, and what does it spell? GREED LOL Talk about conviction, I couldn't imagine Putting that kind of money where my mouth is.Guys got balls. I wonder if any of his ideas would come to reality,in FRANCE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 June 17, 2014 richravizza I wonder if any of his ideas would come to reality,in FRANCE I fucking dare you to ask that question to his wife.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #35 June 17, 2014 She's fucken German. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 June 17, 2014 richravizzaShe's fucken German. Do you know why?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #37 June 17, 2014 Which one are you refering he had three? Do you beileve his Ideas would have such an impact on the Common Good, if they were never realized? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 June 17, 2014 richravizzaWhich one are you refering he had three? His current wife. The one whose father was part of the French Resistance and when he died in combat his pregnant wife was taken to a a concentration camp and gave birth to her. So, um, yeah . . . talk to that one about how much you think France sucks.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 June 17, 2014 >Your only definition of socialism is Quite warm and Fuzzy it definately makes me FEEL GOOD. And your only definition of socialism is evil and malevolent and makes me think of Darth Vader. The truth, of course, is between those two extremes. Socialism is part of our system of government (it's even right there in the Constitution) and there are good aspects of it and bad aspects of it, as there are good and bad aspects of capitalism, democracy, representative government etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #40 June 18, 2014 quade***Which one are you refering he had three? His current wife. The one whose father was part of the French Resistance and when he died in combat his pregnant wife was taken to a a concentration camp and gave birth to her. So, um, yeah . . . talk to that one about how much you think France sucks. So her self interests lie WHERE?Germany France ?how about the Good old US of A. Why is that? Why would you think, I was disrespecting her? or Her Father? Does the Fact that their 17 companies, are Based here,and Not in Europe mean anything? I wonder why their residence is Vegas? With a Mansion in Beverly Hills,would it have something to do with Income Tax?, and how she can use those tax dollars to benefit society better than any gov't bureaucrat. She knows just as well as you,that her self interests in Socialism, far exceeds the Politicians and their so called "Common Good" I wonder how many Lives,how many new enterprise will be born,and the social benefit that fallows. I Don't Think, She believes Gov't can use her "contributions"wiser or more efficiently than she. Where are those Angels ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #41 June 18, 2014 quadeBe careful how you define things. Humans are social Creatures, So are Wolves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #42 June 18, 2014 richravizza***Be careful how you define things. Humans are social Creatures, So are Wolves. Correct. As such they work together for the hunt and all share in its success. If the only wolf who got to eat was the one who closed the deal, the rest of the pack would quickly turn on and kill him. Why we don't do this as humans is beyond me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 June 18, 2014 quade******Be careful how you define things. Humans are social Creatures, So are Wolves. Correct. As such they work together for the hunt and all share in its success. If the only wolf who got to eat was the one who closed the deal, the rest of the pack would quickly turn on and kill him. Why we don't do this as humans is beyond me. Give it a few more years.... that whole "let them eat cake" paradigm is going to bite some people really hard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #44 June 19, 2014 quade******Be careful how you define things. Humans are social Creatures, So are Wolves. Correct. As such they work together for the hunt and all share in its success. If the only wolf who got to eat was the one who closed the deal, the rest of the pack would quickly turn on and kill him. Why we don't do this as humans is beyond me. i thought this may help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8g5S0z5Y4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 June 19, 2014 richravizza*********Be careful how you define things. Humans are social Creatures, So are Wolves. Correct. As such they work together for the hunt and all share in its success. If the only wolf who got to eat was the one who closed the deal, the rest of the pack would quickly turn on and kill him. Why we don't do this as humans is beyond me. i thought this may help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8g5S0z5Y4 I'll be even helpier and make you a clickie for you.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #46 June 19, 2014 richravizzai thought this may help. YOU may think so, but his statements with regard to morality being an individual concept is demonstrably wrong. There is a universally understood concept of morality and fairness. This is true throughout humanity and even among other apes. It is genetically encoded in normal beings with the exception of psychopaths. Economists have no business talking about morality. As for his statements with regard to income inequality at about the five minute mark, you might want to revisit that and compare that to what we see in America today. He could not be more wrong if you look at the state of affairs in the US today.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #47 June 21, 2014 quadeYOU may think so, but his statements with regard to morality being an individual concept is demonstrably wrong. Funny, that was pretty much the only part with which I somewhat agreed... QuadeEconomists have no business talking about morality. Wasn't that sort of his point? QuadeAs for his statements with regard to income inequality at about the five minute mark, you might want to revisit that and compare that to what we see in America today. He could not be more wrong if you look at the state of affairs in the US today. Spot on...I thought the same thing. His sermon was very outdated...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
