Seattle Pacific University shooting

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A nutter comes to Seattle.. and well soft targets if you know what I mean

I wonder if its going to turn out to be another friggin idiot who thinks this is his ticket to fame....


7 shot including shooter

The victims' conditions are not known, but Seattle Fire officials say they have taken four of the wounded to Harborview Medical Center with wounds varying from minor to life threatening.

Seattle police originally said they were looking for a second attacker but have since determined there is only the one suspect.

The incident happened just after 3 p.m.

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CNN is currently reporting at least one dead.

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CNN is currently reporting at least one dead.

Yup.. to badly injured

There is a girl in critical too.

there is a report of a NAVY ROTC student who took down the black hoodie wearing white guy while he was trying to reload his shotgun... It could have been worse...

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Police sources told KIRO 7 that the 25-year-old gunman was obsessed with the Columbine High School shootings and had even traveled to the Colorado site where two student gunmen killed 15 and injured another 21 fellow students in April 1999.





I mean WTF... this douche is confessin this???

You have to wonder what is driving this desire for infamy by killing innocent people.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Some one took him down during a re-load.

Seems to give some legitimacy to limiting magazine size.

[normiss 905]

As well as allowing us to carry.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Sure, for those who think more guns is always the better answer...absolutely.

[normiss 905]

Insanity is the issue, not guns.
Mine haven't killed anything.

Oh wait...I got a squirrel with a .410 in high school...and a water moccasin with a sawed of .12 ga once.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Sure, for those who think more guns is always the better answer...absolutely.

Who thinks that?

(should be careful with absoulutes)

To me, a carried weapon is my last, given no choice, resort

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Channman 2]

SkyDekker

Some one took him down during a re-load.

Seems to give some legitimacy to limiting magazine size.

I agree 100%. More than 100 becomes a bit heavy unless your carrying a SAW, then 400 is about right.

[BillyVance 35]

normiss

Insanity is the issue, not guns.
Mine haven't killed anything..

I fully agree. It's the mentally deficient or disturbed people that is the problem. They get their hands on anything they can find to cause mayhem, whether its a gun, or a knife, or get in a vehicle and mow people down with it... It doesn't fucking matter what weapon is used.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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normiss

As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

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[champu 1]

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***As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

Wayne's "the only thing..." quote was idiotic as is just about everything people like deLeon say regarding firearms when someone puts a microphone in front of them. Public figures in the gun control debate have become the polarized strawmen that should really only exist in YouTube comments, but instead people are getting behind them.

[rushmc 23]

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***As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

That was maybe all he was allowed to have in this free target range

AKA no weapons zone

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

******As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

That was maybe all he was allowed to have in this free target range

AKA no weapons zone

Which, sort of proves the system works as well as anything else.

School Shootings Stopped by "Building Monitor" Armed with Mace: 1
School Shootings Stopped by Random CC Student with Gun: 0

I mean, unless you can find a school shooting that has been stopped by a random student concealed carry gun anywhere. Can you?

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[normiss 905]

His weapon of choice.
Mace IS a weapon.


Why is he so afraid that he chose to carry mace?
Every single day???

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normiss

His weapon of choice.
Mace IS a weapon.


Why is he so afraid that he chose to carry mace?
Every single day???

He's a building monitor. It's his job.

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[rushmc 23]

quade

*********As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

That was maybe all he was allowed to have in this free target range

AKA no weapons zone

Which, sort of proves the system works as well as anything else.

School Shootings Stopped by "Building Monitor" Armed with Mace: 1
School Shootings Stopped by Random CC Student with Gun: 0

I mean, unless you can find a school shooting that has been stopped by a random student concealed carry gun anywhere. Can you?

First off, you may wish to revisit your stats
Second, pulling a weapon is last resort
If you have other options you can chose to use them
But, when you are out of options you are out of options

So no, you dont really have a valid point of any kind

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 905]

Good idea then. I had not heard that.

Also a great alternative to carry mace in a "gun free zone" if carrying will get you in legal trouble.


ETA I went and quickly scanned a few stories and all three report his friends say it was "a habit" for him to carry mace.
So I ask again.

His longtime roommate Ryan Salgado told The Seattle Times about the pepper spray. He said Meis regularly carries it, just in case.

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rushmc

First off, you may wish to revisit your stats

Nope. It's your turn.

Show me what you've got. Show me where a student carrying a gun has stopped a school shooting and, of course I mean, other than the shooter committing suicide.

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[Coreece 190]

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*********As well as allowing us to carry.

He was taken down with mace.

Seems as if Wayne is wrong. A good guy doesn't necessarily have to have a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

That was maybe all he was allowed to have in this free target range

AKA no weapons zone

Which, sort of proves the system works as well as anything else.

School Shootings Stopped by "Building Monitor" Armed with Mace: 1
School Shootings Stopped by Random CC Student with Gun: 0

Ya, but if he had to do it all over a gun, something tells me he would prefer a gun....but hey, next time you see some nut blowing people away, feel free to charge at him with your magic pepper oil...don't forget to close your eyes and cross your fingers.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[rushmc 23]

quade

***First off, you may wish to revisit your stats

Nope. It's your turn.

Show me what you've got. Show me where a student carrying a gun has stopped a school shooting and, of course I mean, other than the shooter committing suicide.

Specifically for a student?
May be tough to find cause the lib gun banners will not allow them to carry but

http://www.infowars.com/numerous-school-massacres-stopped-by-gun-owners-who-wielded-their-weapons-in-defense-of-children/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 226]

quade

***First off, you may wish to revisit your stats

Nope. It's your turn.

Show me what you've got. Show me where a student carrying a gun has stopped a school shooting and, of course I mean, other than the shooter committing suicide.

Your stats are skewed, simply because knowing the students can carry prevents the shooting.

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SkyDekker

Some one took him down during a re-load.

Seems to give some legitimacy to limiting magazine size.

shotguns have a physical limitation that came into play here, not any potential legislation. But as we saw in Santa Monica, easily defeated by carrying 3 handguns and moving from scene to scene via car.

But certainly in this case, pepper spray was effective against a person who choose a weapon that is highly lethal, but with low capacity and slow reloads. But that's a statistical outlier in events that are already outliers. Armed response would have been even more effective at a lower risk to the guy who bravely stepped in. My read of his lack of resistance after being tackled is that he would have surrendered if faced with a gun pointed at him.

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turtlespeed

******First off, you may wish to revisit your stats

Nope. It's your turn.

Show me what you've got. Show me where a student carrying a gun has stopped a school shooting and, of course I mean, other than the shooter committing suicide.

Your stats are skewed, simply because knowing the students can carry prevents the shooting.

Prove it.

Show me a single instance where a guy who committed one of these mass shootings has said he picked School A vs School B because of the school's gun carry policy.

MOST of these shooters know full well going into the situation they are going to end up dead. It is extremely rare any of them believe for a second they're going to get away and live to talk about it.

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